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724Skinsfan 11-14-2006, 11:38 AM The point at which Gibbs is caught late night at the Watergate Hotel handing over Saunder's 700 page playbook to 31 represenatatives of the other NFL franchises late at night wearing a diaper and covered in peanut butter and Hershey's Chocolate Magic Shell. At that point a fan would be justified in calling for his resignation.
12thMan 11-14-2006, 11:42 AM Not again!!! Please make it STOP!
If you don't like Gibbs, go be a Cowboys fan.
It's not about 'liking' Gibbs? It's about the Redskins...no one is questioning Gibbs loyalty or love for this team, that's very clear.
Bottom line, the success and failure starts with Joe Gibbs, and if that's the case, then this is a very valid thread.
illdefined 11-14-2006, 11:42 AM if he pulled Campbell after 19 minutes of play for [He Whom Shall Not Be Named].
other than that unlikely scenario, who the HELL could even hold Gibbs jock leading the Redskins? i mean he's human, he ISN'T God - contrary to half of Warpath's poster handles - he clearly has flaws, but even those are mostly of the good kind (loyalty etc.). and those are overshadowed by his qualities.
12thMan 11-14-2006, 11:46 AM if he pulled Campbell after 19 minutes of play for [He Whom Shall Not Be Named].
other than that unlikely scenario, who the HELL could even hold Gibbs jock leading the Redskins? i mean he's human, he ISN'T God - contrary to half of Warpath's poster handles - he clearly has flaws, but even those are mostly of the good kind (loyalty etc.) but they are way overshadowed by his qualities.
Exactly, Ill. For the record, I love Joe Gibbs and what he's done for this town. He came in and restored respectability to this franchise and a sense of pride to the city about their team. But this notion that Gibbs is infallable, is beyond me.
I don't think it's a disgrace that this thread was started, it's a very legit question. Fact of the matter is, if Joe Gibbs' name was...oh, Nick Saban or Mike Tice, or Herm Edwards....this would the put up or shut up year.
It's funny that when Gibbs returned one of the very first things to come out of his mouth was that the past doesn't really buy you much. I do think he's running on borrowed time and reputation here.
That being said, I think he needs to stay and ride out the bumps. Not because he's Joe Gibbs, but for the sake of avoiding another coaching upheaval.
You are entitled to your own opinion. Fact is those guys bascially are unproven, Joe is???????? Redskins are who without him? Working on Spurrier 2, or 3? Has there been mistakes made? Without a doubt. What do you judge the tunaround time for LONGTIME losing franchises to be? Do you think he has delivered success's of note in his Joe2 tenure? Sweeping Cboys, playoffs??? These sound familiar?
Exactly, Ill. For the record, I love Joe Gibbs and what he's done for this town. He came in and restored respectability to this franchise and a sense of pride to the city about their team. But this notion that Gibbs is infallable, is beyond me.
I personally have not read any post suggesting Gibbs is infallible. I do however, seriously question your ability to accurately assess his accomplishments, lack thereof, or his ability to deliver them.
12thMan 11-14-2006, 11:56 AM You are entitled to your own opinion. Fact is those guys bascially are unproven, Joe is???????? Redskins are who without him? Working on Spurrier 2, or 3? Has there been mistakes made? Without a doubt. What do you judge the tunaround time for LONGTIME losing franchises to be? Do you think he has delivered success's of note in his Joe2 tenure? Sweeping Cboys, playoffs??? These sound familiar?
True. I just threw out those names as examples, not really to compare them to Gibbs' success. I mean, who else has an active winning percentage better than Gibbs...maybe Bellichek?
Funny you threw out Spurrier? I think had we kept either Marty Shott...or maybe held on to Marvin Lewis long enough to make him head coach, it's possible we're not even discussing Gibbs.
We let the wrong coach go when Marvin Lewis was here.
12thMan 11-14-2006, 11:58 AM I personally have not read any post suggesting Gibbs is infallible. I do however, seriously question your ability to accurately assess his accomplishments, lack thereof, or his ability to deliver them.
I have personally read some, in fact many, that certainly suggest he's beyond reproach, that's for damn sure.
12thMan 11-14-2006, 12:00 PM Now Marvin is stuck in Cincy with a bunch of misfit juvenilles. I think in hindsight, no knock on Gibbs, his temperment would have meshed well with the current set of players we have.
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