JWsleep
06-30-2004, 12:43 AM
There's a skins five questions quiz up there now (it'll probably be down soon). Not much to it, but what the hey.
5 Qs: 2004 Washington Redskins (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=788)
skinsfanthru&thru
06-30-2004, 02:17 AM
they should have had as an option on why the defense was so bad last year was because of coaching and too much freelancing.
JWsleep
06-30-2004, 03:27 AM
You know, I thought exactly the same thing!
You can also link to other team's quizes, and demoralize them with your vote. I went over to the gints one, and voted they blew it by not drafting Sean Taylor instead of the whole Manning nonesense.
(Man, I must be bored... :party-smi )
Bergman14
06-30-2004, 09:31 AM
57% said we did not give up too much in the Champ Bailey trade? Are you serious?
SKINSnCANES
06-30-2004, 10:48 AM
you think we did give up to much?
Bergman14
06-30-2004, 11:28 AM
of course! I thought that was common knowledge, no way we should have given up a 2cd round draft pick
cpayne5
06-30-2004, 11:34 AM
I have to disagree, but neither of our predictions will come true till the season is over and the players' performances can be tallied. Even then, it will be up to interpretation.
Dave Butz Baby!
06-30-2004, 11:56 AM
of course! I thought that was common knowledge, no way we should have given up a 2cd round draft pick
This is a misconception and far from common knowledge. We essentially traded a second round pick for Portis, and nothing more. Champ Bailey made it perfectly clear that he would NEVER play another down for the Redskins and would have refused to sign the franchise offer sheet and in turn sat out this season. We had nothing to hold or bind him by. Nothing. He was not under contract. Our franchise tag "rights" were essentially worthless as he was never going to sign the tender. He did not have to agree to a sign and trade. No one was going to offer us the draft picks required to trade for a signed franchise player, which we didn't have.
We could have been left holding our c*$ks watching him sit out the season if he had refused to agree to a sign and trade. The fact that we got anything for him is a coup, plain and simple. The Broncos would have never agreed to a straight trade for Bailey as we were not in a position of leverage and had NO contract with Bailey to trade. He had us by the short and curlies, not the other way around.
We're damn lucky Bailey agreed to go to the Broncs and very lucky they only wanted a second rounder for Portis.
We didn't give up Bailey in the trade for Portis, only the second round pick. You can't lose what you don't have.
Bergman14
06-30-2004, 11:56 AM
it could turn out to be a good deal, all Im saying is that because of Snyder's poor negotiations and impatience, we gave up an uneccessary 2 round pick. We definitely did not have to give up that much, and I only say that so confidently because a lot of experts said this too
SKINSnCANES
06-30-2004, 01:14 PM
Look at it another way, say Bailey is worth a first found pick because of teh franchise tag. I would trade a first and second round pick for Portis any day of the week. hes 22 and already has back to back 1500 yard seasons. Have we ever had a back with 1500 yards? He also has 29 touchdowns already. If someone wants see how many touchdowns we scored the last two years with our running backs? The only halfback in the league thats as young with as much promise is LT. Portis has Trungs speed but acutally can read a whole, break a tackle and make the big play.
The other thing was we couldnt offer then a third becuase we didnt have one. And another team offered them a first and a second for portis. So if we were going to get him we had to match or beat other offers.