What's Considered Success for Next Season?

9-7 or 8-8 would be a success. You can't fix all the holes on defense in one year. Plus the division is real tough. It's going to take time.

Skin and Taf, you both make good points. Other teams have turned it around in a seasons time. But realistically, how much ground can you cover after going 5-11?

I expect a division title. If the Ravens, Saints, and possibly Eagles can all go from worst to first this year there's no reason the Redskins can't either.

As for what I consider success, 10 wins and a playoff win

Here is the difference. Steve McNair, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Drew Brees, Deuce M. Reggie Bush, Brian Westbrook, Jeff Garcia and Brian Dawkins. All of those guys are leaders and difference makers. Plus all of those teams are WELL COACHED. I love the way Payton coaches.

Super Bowl.

There's no fun in shooting low. ;)

Here is the difference. Steve McNair, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Drew Brees, Deuce M. Reggie Bush, Brian Westbrook, Jeff Garcia and Brian Dawkins. All of those guys are leaders and difference makers. Plus all of those teams are WELL COACHED. I love the way Payton coaches.

I don't get your point

They need to be about 10 and 6 and in the playoffs for next year to be a success imo. I have to think this year was a blip on the radar. If they end up sub .500 again next year, I would probably say it was time to give Gibbs the axe. This team has been riddled with injuries, they didn't put Campbell in till late and they played no defense. I don't really expect any of that to happen again next year. The D will have to be better...I don't think it's possible for them to get worse. Clinton will be healthy (if they keep him).

The team should automatically be better next season, but it's scary to think the other 3 teams from the East are in the playoffs. I think the Giants implode next season, maybe the same for the Cowboys. So, by my estimation, they really only have to worry about Philly, but they absolutely play better football.

Finally, Joe needs to get some sort of discipline in this team. Not that they have problems off the field, or even the 15 yarders the G Men rack up, but all the stupid penalties they committ have to decrease. It killed them this year. I think this is part of a coaching problem. I never look at a highly penalized team and think that they are well coached. I have to feel the same away the Skins this year.

Here is the difference. Steve McNair, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Drew Brees, Deuce M. Reggie Bush, Brian Westbrook, Jeff Garcia and Brian Dawkins. All of those guys are leaders and difference makers. Plus all of those teams are WELL COACHED. I love the way Payton coaches.

Your naming players that were on the team before this season and the team still sucked and each team has one addition none of them have been that big of difference makers if you ask me (with the exception of Drew Brees). And what makes you think those teams are well coached i could argue that brian billick is not that great of a coach at all.

Your naming players that were on the team before this season and the team still sucked and each team has one addition none of them have been that big of difference makers if you ask me (with the exception of Drew Brees). And what makes you think those teams are well coached i could argue that brian billick is not that great of a coach at all.

Reed and Lewis were hurt last year. So you bring them back and add McNair and you have a better team. Balt. had a top defense last year, they just had an offense that kept turning it over. Deuce was also hurt last year so you bring him back and add Bush and Bress and a lot of your problems are fixed. Plus they added Colston who is just a stud.

I don't get your point

My point is those players have been difference makers for their teams this year. That is why they have gone from worst to first.

My point is those players have been difference makers for their teams this year. That is why they have gone from worst to first.

Ok, well about Portis then? Or Springs? And you know we'll go out and get one or two difference makers. And a full season of Campbell?

I won't even touch the coaching argument.