Iran Supplying Weapons to Iraq?

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That Guy
02-12-2007, 07:38 PM
what if they found WMDs and they had US Army stamped on them, from when we helped them in the 80s?

not saying i think it's true, but an interesting thought.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
02-12-2007, 07:59 PM
what if they found WMDs and they had US Army stamped on them, from when we helped them in the 80s?

not saying i think it's true, but an interesting thought.

I actually thought that something more ironic and tragic would happen after we invaded Iraq, namely that some explosives from Iraq would be used in a terrorist attack against the U.S. at home or somewhere outside of Iraq. A friend of mine came back from Iraq, where he served in the Army in an EOD unit, and told me that the place was littered with millions of tons of military-grade explosives that couldn't be secured by our forces. You can buy an RPG for $100 on the black market there. Crazy stuff.

AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace
02-13-2007, 02:21 PM
I honestly don't think we've had a decent president in over a decade...I'm so disillusioned about the whole process, but as far as Iran goes, we don't have the man power to go in there right now without a draft. We would have to use nuclear weapons in an open war. I hope the administration considers this. Lets also think back over the past 20 to 30 years. As much as I hate to say it, we chose sides (Isreal) and now we have to pay the consequences. I'm in no way condoning the actions of radical islamic nations, just merely pointing out that we have a hand in our own problems. We also supplied weapons to Iraq, and have a history of exagurating intelligence for our own purposes (Vietnam anyone? Spanish American War?). If Iranians are coming over the border...they need to be accounted for. Its too late to give up on Iraq, but I wish we had just left well enough alone in the region. The best way to deal with the problem in my opinion is to find a legitimate alternative fuel source so we wouldn't be dependent on those scum bags.

12thMan
02-13-2007, 02:33 PM
I honestly don't think we've had a decent president in over a decade...I'm so disillusioned about the whole process, but as far as Iran goes, we don't have the man power to go in there right now without a draft. We would have to use nuclear weapons in an open war. I hope the administration considers this. Lets also think back over the past 20 to 30 years. As much as I hate to say it, we chose sides (Isreal) and now we have to pay the consequences. I'm in no way condoning the actions of radical islamic nations, just merely pointing out that we have a hand in our own problems. We also supplied weapons to Iraq, and have a history of exagurating intelligence for our own purposes (Vietnam anyone? Spanish American War?). If Iranians are coming over the border...they need to be accounted for. Its too late to give up on Iraq, but I wish we had just left well enough alone in the region. The best way to deal with the problem in my opinion is to find a legitimate alternative fuel source so we wouldn't be dependent on those scum bags.

You didn't think Clinton was a good Prez?

Schneed10
02-13-2007, 02:38 PM
I would also like to know what the Dems. are doing to fix the problem?

This is one of the biggest reasons why I don't think I can vote democratic in the '08 elections (I'm relatively moderate, tend to be a swing voter).

The Democrats are so busy saying "I told you so" to President Bush, so busy saying you should have done this, you should have done that. So busy that they haven't been able to come up with a solution worth a crap.

I am a forward thinker. I don't care how we got in this friggin mess. I care how we're going to get out of it. If we can learn lessons from our past mistakes, great. But we still need a plan going forward. Eff all the political bickering; if you're not coming up with a solution, you're part of the effing problem.

AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace
02-13-2007, 02:39 PM
You didn't think Clinton was a good Prez?


no, granted, he didn't actively mess things up like some would suggest Bush did, but I still wouldn't call him a good president. In my opinion he took credit for things that weren't entirely his doing. Trust me though, I'm not a Republican, although I would call myself conservative.

AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace
02-13-2007, 02:42 PM
This is one of the biggest reasons why I don't think I can vote democratic in the '08 elections (I'm relatively moderate, tend to be a swing voter).

The Democrats are so busy saying "I told you so" to President Bush, so busy saying you should have done this, you should have done that. So busy that they haven't been able to come up with a solution worth a crap.

I am a forward thinker. I don't care how we got in this friggin mess. I care how we're going to get out of it. If we can learn lessons from our past mistakes, great. But we still need a plan going forward. Eff all the political bickering; if you're not coming up with a solution, you're part of the effing problem.


I think we can greatly end the political bickering by getting rid of career politicians. Once there's no re-election, people won't spend all their time trying to say what people want to hear. TERM LIMITS!!!!!

12thMan
02-13-2007, 02:54 PM
no, granted, he didn't actively mess things up like some would suggest Bush did, but I still wouldn't call him a good president. In my opinion he took credit for things that weren't entirely his doing. Trust me though, I'm not a Republican, although I would call myself conservative.


Well, I don't think all successes or failures of any presidency are entirely on that president. However, there are some markers, if you will, that we can always point to and say what they did well or bad.

During Clinton's presidency, for instance, he inheirted a huge deficit, turned it into a surplus, and we're back to running a deficit now.

FRPLG
02-13-2007, 03:00 PM
Well, I don't think all successes or failures of any presidency are entirely on that president. However, there are some markers, if you will, that we can always point to and say what they did well or bad.

During Clinton's presidency, for instance, he inheirted a huge deficit, turned it into a surplus, and we're back to running a deficit now.

Yes he inherited a recovering econmoy on the cusp of a period of growth unseen before and watched as tax coffers exploded with money that allowed him to end up positive. Bush got a waning economy and decided to cut taxes as well and now we have war that costs a lot of money and less taxes both by natural occurence and tax cuts. I like tax cuts but they should be met with spending cuts also. I don't give either prez any credit for performance on economy as they have very little if any effect on it. It is one the greatest myths in this country in terms of politics. Our economy runs itself. MAYBE tax cuts help a tiny bit to spur growth but that is questionable. Clinton didn't do anything that could be considered effecting the economy. Not a knock on him but just an observation.

AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace
02-13-2007, 03:07 PM
Yes he inherited a recovering econmoy on the cusp of a period of growth unseen before and watched as tax coffers exploded with money that allowed him to end up positive. Bush got a waning economy and decided to cut taxes as well and now we have war that costs a lot of money and less taxes both by natural occurence and tax cuts. I like tax cuts but they should be met with spending cuts also. I don't give either prez any credit for performance on economy as they have very little if any effect on it. It is one the greatest myths in this country in terms of politics. Our economy runs itself. MAYBE tax cuts help a tiny bit to spur growth but that is questionable. Clinton didn't do anything that could be considered effecting the economy. Not a knock on him but just an observation.

great point...many presidents try to take credit for the economy, when in reality it runs itself...and is cyclical

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