Maybe Vinny Cerrato isn't the Anti-Christ

He's a fan favorite, so I know I'm walking on eggshells when I fail to put him the upper echelon they way others do.

There was a slump he went through part of last year when he just wasn't a factor, but it was only his third year in the league with quarterback issues to deal with, so I'll allow for that.

I just need to see more of an impact before I group him with Gates, Gonzales, Witten, Crumpler, or Clark.

Guess it depends on what we're calling "top tier". I'd easily place Cooley in the top 10 of the best TEs. I would listen to arguments that place him in the 5-7 range. That to me would be top tier.

I just need to see more of an impact before I group him with Gates, Gonzales, Witten, Crumpler, or Clark.

Do you mean Dallas Clark?

C'mon the guy has never topped 40 catches or 5 TDs in one season.

But Vinny isn't responsible for trading away picks. So if you don't like that strategy, your beef isn't with Vinny.

I look at our players on offense and I think he did a pretty good job of assembling talent. But, if you don't think the guys I list below are any good, please feel free to differ.

Jason Campbell - It's early, but he looks very promising
Clinton Portis - Need I say more
Ladell Betts - Excellent pick in the middle of the 2nd round
Rock Cartwright - He's not a starter, but he's excellent value for a 7th rounder.
Chris Cooley - Excellent pick, especially in the 3rd round
Santana Moss - Everyone thought we got screwed on the Coles trade, maybe not?
ARE - I simply love the guy, even if he's not posting 1,000 yard seasons
The entire O-line - Love em all.

I think we've got the talent on offense to be incredibly explosive if JC picks up his game and develops nicely.

- JC does look like he's going to do well but we did give up a good deal to get him
- CP was a great fit for our offense but we are wasting his talent by not surrounding him with a passing game (hopefully next year will be better) PLUS we did give up a pro-bowler and the best corner in the NFL in Champ
- Betts is great if we trade him but I don't think he will ever be able to carry the entire load under our offense...don't forget the fumbling issues
- Cartwright was probably the only under the radar guy that was picked up
- Cooley is great but as someone pointed out we gave up a LOT for him and they might let him leave to FA next year as well
- Santana Moss...let's not forget that our FO screwed up for a stretch there when we got Coles and he was a bust (this was the period when we were known as the jetskins and were a laughingstock)
- ARE is a great personality and player but has yet to prove that he was worth the money

ALSO notice that in the entire list above not ONE defensive player was mentioned. As everyone knows the cliche is that defense wins championships. Imagine if we had a GM that could scout defensive talent like Ozzie. Taylor was the only great defensive pick that the Cerrato era could be credited for. The jury is still out on Cartwright and Rogers has one season to prove his worth, IMO.

I think most people like to blame Vinny instead of Gibbs because that is sac religious. I think Gibbs needs quite a bit of blame that people dont want to give.

For whatever reason, Ceratto is much more protected it seems, and perhaps in a bit of denial. On more than one occasion, both Snyder and Gibbs have said "Hey I messed up and I admit it" But has anyone ever heard anything like that from VC?

For whatever reason, Ceratto is much more protected it seems, and perhaps in a bit of denial. On more than one occasion, both Snyder and Gibbs have said "Hey I messed up and I admit it" But has anyone ever heard anything like that from VC?

Yeah that is true, never thought about that.

Gibbs is always the first one to stick his neck out and say blame me.

I think Vinny has admitted to making mistakes, especially from the infamous 2000 spending spree.

whoops, i failed to read the part that u said u were breaking down offensive players only, haha. Well at any rate, i still don't think that the FO has really focused on building the defense through the draft, which doesn't make sense to me.

U can't get rid of Gibbs (cuz its sacrilege), u can't get rid of Snyder...that leaves only Vinny C and other members of the FO to take the blame. As unfair as it is on certain levels, this is a business and sometimes for the sake of public appearance someone who doesn't deserve ALL the blame has to absorb it...So is he the anti-christ: No. But was he part of the solution in his time here: No.

Gibbs is always the first one to stick his neck out and say blame me.

yeah and after a while his apologies have no more value to me.