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You do realize the Macaca incident was not overtly racist right? It was a nickname he had given the guy as he hounded their campaign. You cannot honestly believe that a polished senator like Allen would openly and on camera use a term he knew to be racist? I am not saying that Allen was great or anything. I am simply pointing out how ridiculous the reaction to the whole situation was. Considering that he apoligized and stated that he did not know it was racist should have been enough to let the story die.

Alos, you do realize Macaca is about as racist as say REDSKIN is right?
i think there was an over reaction, but as you say, a polished senator is also very careful in the words that they use. anything even close to be in question isnt used, for fear of something like this happening.

i think there was an over reaction, but as you say, a polished senator is also very careful in the words that they use. anything even close to be in question isnt used, for fear of something like this happening.

Yeah but the hoopla surrounding that whole thing only serves to detract from the real question, are the guy's policies sound and can he lead effectively?

He didn't know it was a racist term, it was a slip of the tongue, a poor choice of words. Is that the argument for why he'd be a poor leader? That's flimsy.

It's just like saying Bill Clinton was a poor leader because he let Monica give him a beej. It makes no sense.

i agree. for me, Clinton was one of the best presidents we have had in a long time. alittle head shot is his personal business. i don't know where Allen stands on the issues, because just about all of his press was about his choice of one word

I don't think Allen knew what the hell Macaca meant and the crowd was more clueless than he was. So say Allen lost because of the Macaca incident would be a reach. Virginia is simply not a gimme state anymore and his opponent was a worthy opponent. Not to mention the fact that the country was ready to change the faces in congress.

I don't think Allen knew what the hell Macaca meant and the crowd was more clueless than he was. So say Allen lost because of the Macaca incident would be a reach. Virginia is simply not a gimme state anymore and his opponent was a worthy opponent. Not to mention the fact that the country was ready to change the faces in congress.

I think you're right here. Allen might have won by a small margin without the whole macaca mess but he lost for the same reason most other republicans losts. An unpopular war and a culture of corruption fostered by the high-ups in Washington. It is tough for the base to mobilize for guys they don't trust and that affects all races. Webb did a good job of niching his way into the middle too.

No he got the shaft because he is a racist P.O.S. He also dropped the N word frequently at UVa, and it was a big deal when that surfaced. Of course the sleaze denied it. It is just sad this kinda overt racism is even present in politics. Says something about the values of the Republican party and who they support.
If it said so much for the republican party and who they support why then did he loose the election? If all the Rep. voted for him then he would have won with ease so your point make no sense at all.

Fred Thompson

I have two questions. First, were we right to involve ourself in the European territorial dispute of the 1940s?

And second, when did we have troops stationed in Mecca?


Lastly. let me say that my experience with Republican isolationists like Ron Paul, or Pat Buchanan, or Bob Novak has been that they are mostly just good old fashioned anti-semites. I think they want to pull out of there because they would like to see the Jews driven into the sea.

This is in no way meant to throw an accusation like that at anyone here. I want to be perfectly clear about that. I'm not calling anyone an anti-semite in this forum. Unless Pat Buchanan is posting in which case I am.

That is why Ron Paul goes on the Daily Show and Bill Maher's show. Both are of Jewish descent.

That is why Ron Paul goes on the Daily Show and Bill Maher's show. Both are of Jewish descent.


The "I won't be in the same room with one" brand of anti-semitism is indeed rare now, at least compared with, say, 1907. The kind that Buchanan and his ilk suffer from is the kind that thinks a Jew would be unable to put the interests of the United States ahead of the interests of Israel - which is an ironic thing for a Roman Catholic like Buchanan or Novak to believe. They don't feel any ongoing hostility towards Jews but they are quite suspicious of them.

Just so people don't think I'm alone in this, here's a link I found in about 20 seconds:

Ron Paul and Anti-Semitism - Latest Politics Blog (http://www.latestpolitics.com/blog/2007/05/ron-paul-and-anti-semitism.html)

That is why Ron Paul goes on the Daily Show and Bill Maher's show. Both are of Jewish descent.

I don't follow at all what you're trying to say