Free Scooter Libby

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FRPLG
07-03-2007, 12:23 PM
Well, he was convicted of perjury, making false statements...and obstruction of justice. I find it hard to believe and very unlikely that a jury erred on all three counts after much deliberating and looking at all the evidence. Furthermore, the main players putting Libby on trial and handing down the sentencing were by and large Republicans. So one would, at least I would think, have to remove any political motivation for convicting him.

Additionally, Bush out of his own mouth said several months ago if anyone - anyone- is convicted in this case he would personally fire them. So what does he do, commute the dudes sentence instead.

For the record, it's the President's prerogative to excerise Executive Privilege, as far as I'm concerned. Every administration has had their share of questionable pardons or what have you. But the fact that this involved national security, there was evidence of White House involvement, and yet no one goes to jail, it just doesn't sit well with me.

Actually he was convicted on 4 counts, not 3. All stemming from one thing. His discussion with Russert.

The entire situation was simply bogus. To assert that politcs weren't the motivation here is absurd. Republicans didn't push this, Democrats did. If one looks at the case reasonably it really is very obvious that no one did anything illegal. Even Armitage didn't do anything illegal since Plame was not covered under the Shield laws. What sits badly with me is the millions of dollars spent persuing an investigation into a non-crime that by all appearances looks like a politcal hit job to catch someone in a "lie". Fitzgerald is a great prosecutor. It gives me shudders to think what he could pin on anyone when he can geta conviction on these types of counts when the only evidence is the testimony of one no less or more trustworthy source.

If he had really done something wrong then this conversation wouldn't even be going on. But it really seems very clear to me that he got screwed here. He took the fall for a non-crime that did not involve national security in any way. That is wrong.

FRPLG
07-03-2007, 12:26 PM
I am confused why everyone thinks Bush went back on his word? He didn't say he wouldn't pardon or commute anyone's sentcen. He aid he'd fire them. Well Libby is gone so what is the big deal from that standpoint?

firstdown
07-03-2007, 12:43 PM
Libby was found GUILTY by a jury of his peers on 2 counts, one of perjury, the other on obstruction of justice. the judge had nothing to do with that. i don't remember isn't a defense. as 12th remembered, Mr Bush SAID he would fire ANYONE that is convicted of this, no matter who it was. the president has the power to make this go away, but why all the back tracking?
He quit so Bush could not have fired him and if I'm correct he said he would fire the person found to have leaked her name. Which latter was found out was not illegal and second the person investigating the leak allready knew who leaked this information. Where you as tough on Bill Clinton when he pardond those 24 pages of people when he left office?

dmek25
07-03-2007, 12:51 PM
some of the people Clinton pardoned i was down right pissed about. but then again, Clinton never once said he would fire any of those. for those who always say the president never lies, what do you have to say now? you cannot go into court and use i don't remember as your defense. people in the high positions that these politicians hold are paid to remember. but i do agree that Libby was just the fall guy for some higher ups

FRPLG
07-03-2007, 12:58 PM
I am sort of tired of the Bush/Clinton comparisons. Everything is allways "well Bush did this" and "Clinton did that". They both suck in their own ways. I am over that. I feel like it is only a deflective thing anyways. In this case I genuinely feel Libby has gotten shafted and no one with the voice to do ti stood up and said "This is crap"

djnemo65
07-03-2007, 01:04 PM
I am sort of tired of the Bush/Clinton comparisons. Everything is allways "well Bush did this" and "Clinton did that". They both suck in their own ways. I am over that. I feel like it is only a deflective thing anyways. In this case I genuinely feel Libby has gotten shafted and no one with the voice to do ti stood up and said "This is crap"

Excellent take and I completely agree.

12thMan
07-03-2007, 01:11 PM
Actually he was convicted on 4 counts, not 3. All stemming from one thing. His discussion with Russert.

The entire situation was simply bogus. To assert that politcs weren't the motivation here is absurd. Republicans didn't push this, Democrats did. If one looks at the case reasonably it really is very obvious that no one did anything illegal. Even Armitage didn't do anything illegal since Plame was not covered under the Shield laws. What sits badly with me is the millions of dollars spent persuing an investigation into a non-crime that by all appearances looks like a politcal hit job to catch someone in a "lie". Fitzgerald is a great prosecutor. It gives me shudders to think what he could pin on anyone when he can geta conviction on these types of counts when the only evidence is the testimony of one no less or more trustworthy source.

If he had really done something wrong then this conversation wouldn't even be going on. But it really seems very clear to me that he got screwed here. He took the fall for a non-crime that did not involve national security in any way. That is wrong.

His conversation with Russert was no doubt damning, but it wasn't the one and only thing that convicted him. There were numerous testimonies. He spoke to numerous people, some in the press and some not. (see Ari Fleischer)

But to your point, this is all political. And sure the Dems played a hand in some of this, but they didn't make Libby lie and they sure as hell didn't leak V. Plames' name to the press.

dmek25
07-03-2007, 01:24 PM
His conversation with Russert was no doubt damning, but it wasn't the one and only thing that convicted him. There were numerous testimonies. He spoke to numerous people, some in the press and some not. (see Ari Fleischer)

But to your point, this is all political. And sure the Dems played a hand in some of this, but they didn't make Libby lie and they sure as hell didn't leak V. Plames' name to the press.
excellent take, and i completely agree

Sammy Baugh Fan
07-03-2007, 01:37 PM
Who's Scooter Libby?

lol
I'm a right wing, republican, gun toting, Bible believing guy and I say the guy could have just gone to prision and I would not have cared. All politics aside.

peace

firstdown
07-03-2007, 01:42 PM
His conversation with Russert was no doubt damning, but it wasn't the one and only thing that convicted him. There were numerous testimonies. He spoke to numerous people, some in the press and some not. (see Ari Fleischer)

But to your point, this is all political. And sure the Dems played a hand in some of this, but they didn't make Libby lie and they sure as hell didn't leak V. Plames' name to the press.
Libby didn't leak her name as well.

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