12thMan
07-07-2007, 04:28 PM
Really i don't mind at all. It doesn't bother me much. Whats worse is the other stuff SBF said about all my posts which goes deeper than this one post he disagreed with. Whatever.
But the thing is, i hate it when democratic ideas get labeled as 'hater' and 'whiner' ideas, like you said. What is worse when the words "national pride" come into the picture, as skinsfan said. Just because someone disagrees with the way the country is being run doesn't make them any less american than those that blindly follow it. They are more american for that. This is the same thing as when people disagree with the war and they are labeled as not "supporting the troops". Please.
Also i don't know what SBF thinks some people would do if they met the president. Its not like I would spit in bush's face. There is no doubt in my mind that i would shake his hand. There is the republican idea that democrats hate this country and have no respect for its ideals and values. Again, I say those that have the courage to say what is wrong are not doing so in hate, its in love of this country.
No offense to Skinsfan either, i'm just giving an example from the thread.
I agree here BSB. I think there's a tendency, rightly or wrongly, to think just because someone is a Democrat it automatically makes them a Bush hater. I had the privilege and the honor of meeting Bush Sr. while I served during the first Gulf War. At the time, I probably didn't agreee with all the reasons we were there, but I was most definitely thrilled to shake that man's hand; I'll never forget it. And I'm sure if opportunity presented itself to meet Bush Jr., I would feel the same way.
I think what we tend to miss in these heated discussions and debates, is that it's wise to separate the office from the man; the person. I'm sure the man George W. Bush is an upright, nice, family oriented individual. It's the office that I've had issues with, and more specifically how he's discharged his duties and execution of the office. To the best of my knowledge, I've never directly insulted George W. Bush the person, or the office, I don't think, but if I have, my apologies to all Repubs, and yes, Dems, and whomever may have taken offense to it.
But the thing is, i hate it when democratic ideas get labeled as 'hater' and 'whiner' ideas, like you said. What is worse when the words "national pride" come into the picture, as skinsfan said. Just because someone disagrees with the way the country is being run doesn't make them any less american than those that blindly follow it. They are more american for that. This is the same thing as when people disagree with the war and they are labeled as not "supporting the troops". Please.
Also i don't know what SBF thinks some people would do if they met the president. Its not like I would spit in bush's face. There is no doubt in my mind that i would shake his hand. There is the republican idea that democrats hate this country and have no respect for its ideals and values. Again, I say those that have the courage to say what is wrong are not doing so in hate, its in love of this country.
No offense to Skinsfan either, i'm just giving an example from the thread.
I agree here BSB. I think there's a tendency, rightly or wrongly, to think just because someone is a Democrat it automatically makes them a Bush hater. I had the privilege and the honor of meeting Bush Sr. while I served during the first Gulf War. At the time, I probably didn't agreee with all the reasons we were there, but I was most definitely thrilled to shake that man's hand; I'll never forget it. And I'm sure if opportunity presented itself to meet Bush Jr., I would feel the same way.
I think what we tend to miss in these heated discussions and debates, is that it's wise to separate the office from the man; the person. I'm sure the man George W. Bush is an upright, nice, family oriented individual. It's the office that I've had issues with, and more specifically how he's discharged his duties and execution of the office. To the best of my knowledge, I've never directly insulted George W. Bush the person, or the office, I don't think, but if I have, my apologies to all Repubs, and yes, Dems, and whomever may have taken offense to it.