Joyner: Reed, Taylor Overrated from Coverage Standpoint

I'd rather have the safety that breaks up the pass and prevents the yards, but I guess I'm weird for being in that junk.

Who needs good defense when you can see people get lit up!

I'm not even talking about that. I think a lot of that stuff is overrated. Big hits aside, I'm talking about pure difference makers. I think that a lot of people would say that Reed or Taylor are bigger difference makers than anyone who "rates" metrically higher.

Hmmmmm, I think his hit on that poor kicker says otherwise.Neither here nor there in a thread about pass coverage.

Still, quite entertaining.

I'm not even talking about that. I think a lot of that stuff is overrated. Big hits aside, I'm talking about pure difference makers. I think that a lot of people would say that Reed or Taylor are bigger difference makers than anyone who "rates" metrically higher.What differences are there that are more important than preventing foward moving offense? Interceptions, maybe?

ST had a mere one of those that year.

If he's not good at playing safety, thats the only think I care about.

I don't think it was him so much as it was the team around him last year. Obviously his first two years in the league he was good to great, then the entire team goes down the drain...

I guess Joyner has no clue who John Lynch is, the most overrated safety in the leauge besides Roy Williams. How in the world does Joyner get away with putting Ed Reed, and Sean Taylor in the overrated list?, and forgets all about John Lynch who is the most deserving I mean this guy steals a pro bowl spot every year from a way more deserving safety just because his name is John Lynch. I will admit Lynch was a above average safety with the Bucs, but since he has been with the Broncos he has been horrendous.

Metrics aren't going to tell you the impact of Sean Taylor missing the Tampa game two years ago, allowing Chris Simms to own the middle of the field deep and resulting in over 30 points scored by the Bucs. And possibly costing us the division title in the long run.

Metrics aren't going to tell you the impact of when Todd Pinkston (was it Pinkston?) hears Taylor's footsteps and looks the other way out of fear instead of focusing on the ball.

Metrics aren't going to tell you Sean Taylor's vision and awareness (and pure athletic ability) to run full speed, pick a ball up off a bounce and take off leading to the winning field goal in dramatic fashion.

True, there's plenty Taylor needs to improve on. But we're much better off with him on the field than without him.

^^^ Very true. One of the first moments we could see what sean meant to us was when we played green bay his rookie season and he was to sit out due to his DUI charge. That game we got destroyed downfield relative to our other games that year. His absense leads to the team not working. He does so much that it hard to realize for some people unless he is off the field.

I still hurt from that stupid illegal motion call the ref made. F...ing idiot. The refs had it out for us that year and the year after too.

Metrics aren't going to tell you the impact of Sean Taylor missing the Tampa game two years ago, allowing Chris Simms to won the middle of the field deep and resulting in over 30 points scored by the Bucs. And possibly costing us the division title in the long run.

Who cares about things like heart, leadership, the ability to inspire fear in opposing teams, and a dozen other immeasurable qualities when metrics teach us that Taylor can't play safety, Betts is as good as Portis, and Brunell is a great quarterback?

I get sick of people always singling out db's who get beat a few times, especially safeties. The safety's job is to get there, not cover man to man. Of course they're going to bite on fakes or pursue the wrong area of the field sometimes. That doesn't make them poor in coverage. Even Roy Williams; yes coverage is not his strong point, but at least give him credit for making some big plays in coverage, e.g. he picked 1 against us last year at about the 2 yrd. line, which pretty much ended our chances to get in the game. He also took one back against philly in 05 to win a game.

I will agree w/the overall assessment of Taylor for last year though. He tried to make too many plays & ended up late on deep throws. He CAN cover though, he's just got to commit to that aspect of his game & accept the responsibility as the last man to beat on the field.

Taylor had a bad year last year, just like the entire D. I don't think we needed an expert to tell us that.

I wonder what his metrics looked like in prior years though.