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GTripp0012 08-09-2007, 11:58 AM I'm actually feeling good about not drafting DL. While Okoye was pretty special (at least his age and talent), it's good to see we're going to give Golston and Montgomery a chance. One season isn't nearly enough to see what we have.
And instead we have a beast safety (at least by all accounts so far).That is the silver lining in not drafting a DLineman. It will let us evaluate Carter and Montgomery and Golston longer.
Problem is, if none of them turn out to be worth anything, we are one more year further back in redeveloping the line.
It's very pessimistic to believe we won't get any help from those guys, but I doubt we get more than one quality starter.
hesscl34 08-09-2007, 12:03 PM Things have been quiet concerning him so far. I haven't heard much in the Washington Post or from any of our training camp "experts.":)
It's probably been said here a hundred times already, but if Carter can start out the way he finished last season, do you think his impact on the defense could be even greater than that of Sean Taylor's?
There was in interview with him on redskins.com on Monday I believe after practic. He seems ready to go. He is a beast, I tell you. That man scares me.
dmek25 08-09-2007, 12:44 PM you would think any player would have an adjustment period, having to switch positions
chrisl13 08-09-2007, 02:05 PM we'll see what he does in the little time he plays on Saturday. I think he'll be buzzing all around the field against the Titans even though it's just a pre season game.
He'll get a sack too, guaranteed
jsarno 08-09-2007, 02:31 PM Wow, you'd think he's going to break the sack record with all the good things said about him.
I am still skeptical of AC. I think AC did not live up to the promise last year, and he has a lot to prove to me. Sure he finished the season well (by the numbers) but his play was still only average at the DE spot.
He is, by far, our best DE option, and he needs to show us what he's made of.
Monksdown 08-09-2007, 03:16 PM Didnt he say that at the end of last year, the coaching staff finally just let him go. That's what our boy Sam was saying on Riggo last night. For most of the year, they were limiting him to a particular gap to control. Once they let him free lance, he was able to generate pressure on the quarterback.
Doesnt that type of freelancing encourage the offense to run at you on that side?
jdlea 08-09-2007, 03:53 PM Didnt he say that at the end of last year, the coaching staff finally just let him go. That's what our boy Sam was saying on Riggo last night. For most of the year, they were limiting him to a particular gap to control. Once they let him free lance, he was able to generate pressure on the quarterback.
Doesnt that type of freelancing encourage the offense to run at you on that side?
The problem with this thinking that a DE should be able to stop the run and rush the passer is no one in the NFL does it.
Dwight Freeney's best season of all (as far as tackles) he had 45 tackles, 12 sacks. His best for sacks? 16 and 32 tackles. A sack also counts as a tackle, so he had all of 1 tackle a game outside of those sacks, but he was still widely regarded as a menace.
Simeon Rice never had more than 44 tackles in a season in Tampa.
Julius Peppers has never had more than 53 tackles and he's one of the best defenders in the league.
Andre Cater had only 6 sacks, but he did have 47 tackles last year. About par for a guy whose focus is the pass rush.
Ends are not going to put up a ton of tackles if their goal is to get to the quarterback. I still contend that Warrick Holdman is the reason Andre was dubbed Highway 99. If Andre gets up the field, the run will go right by him, the outside linebacker should be the one to stop a big gain, not the end. Holdman should take more responsibility for getting eaten up on big running plays than Andre Carter should.
Monksdown 08-09-2007, 03:57 PM Those are very accurate points. So should we be more upset with GW for holding him back? Why would he have not just let him go from the start?
jdlea 08-09-2007, 04:03 PM Those are very accurate points. So should we be more upset with GW for holding him back? Why would he have not just let him go from the start?
I'm not really upset either way. I don't think "freelance" is necessarily the word to use, though, given the context it has been used here in the past. In regards to an end, if his forte is rushing the passer, just get him up the as quickly as possible. Tell him go after the QB, if he can react to the run, that's great. Now, if he anticipates run, say 3rd and 1, rein him in, but I don't think they should tell him to cover a gap on any reasonable passing down. I don't want Carter filling a gap on a 2nd and 7. That down and distance could go either way, but I want him to primarily go after the QB and I think that would be when he would be most effective, rushing the passer, not playing the run.
jermus22 08-09-2007, 07:27 PM Very few guys past or present can dominate both as pass rushers and run stoppers. Dexter Manley was an elite pass rusher (especially off the edge) but never a dominate run stopper (which is why we had Daryl Grant and Neal Olkewicz helping him). On the other hand, guys like Reggie White and Charles Mann were very good at both, although Mann slowed down in his later years as a pass rusher. Perhaps we're expecting too much from a weakside defensive end when we ask him to dominate in both aspects of his game. At 255 pounds (he apparently lost 10 lbs this offseason), Carter is more fit as a rusher off the edge rather than a slugger and mauler in the trenches.
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