Just plain ugly

You know what blows my mind? The Redskins ran the exact same formation shift on 4th down that they ran in the pre-season against Baltimore and Miami still jumped offsides. That's bad coaching. I could see that from a mile away. Gibbs would never go for it on 4th and 2 in that situation.

I'm not sure why they flagged us. Sellers may have moved late which would make it two men in motion at the same time rather than a shift or the ref can flag Yoder for simulating the snap if he begins his motion with too jerky a movement that is unnatural and obviously an attempt to draw the defense offsides. At any rate, I like the attempted deception. I would have liked a better explanation from the refs, especially since Gibbs told him what they were going to do before the game.

Ok so I still have huge questions about our Dline. Yes they helped stop the run, but that was more our safeties and LBs coming up to tackle. But what about a pass rush? I dont think our guys did a good enough job pressuring the QB. It seems like the front 4 cant get pressure on their own. With the except of 1-2 pressures by Andre Carter, our D line didnt seem to give them too much of a scare on passing downs.
Yes they did not get good pressure today, what is new. But, I did notice quite a few tipped balls a the line of scrimmage though. Just like they did in 05'.

Yeah I dont know about that call on 4 2 by the refs. Gibbs seemed to be pretty pissed about that too in the presser.

Definitely an off day for him, but I look for Moss to make up for it next week.

Has anybody said anything about Andre Carter? They guy should have a good solid year this year.

Carter didn't look that good overall. Had only 2 pressures, 1 sack. He started off with a bang, then went back to mediocre.

I agree...Moss will be back next week. 100+ yard performance next week.

Yeah I dont know about that call on 4 2 by the refs. Gibbs seemed to be pretty pissed about that too in the presser.


My first reaction was that Sellers moved late. They have to move at the same time. And this is an easy call for the refs. But the refs apparently told Gibbs they flagged Yoder because when he started his motion he did it too abruptly. If that's the case it's a horseshit call and a key one. The Redskins put it right there on the Baltimore film for Miami to see. Maybe next time Gibbs should have the staff put a message on the Jumbo-tron: "We're going to try to draw you offsides now, be careful."

Yeah, that was a terrible call. If you see the press-conference with Gibbs after the game he addresses that play. The refs hate us.

My first reaction was that Sellers moved late. They have to move at the same time. And this is an easy call for the refs. But the refs apparently told Gibbs they flagged Yoder because when he started his motion he did it too abruptly. If that's the case it's a horseshit call and a key one. The Redskins put it right there on the Baltimore film for Miami to see. Maybe next time Gibbs should have the staff put a message on the Jumbo-tron: "We're going to try to draw you offsides now, be careful."

Well, there were two problems.
1- Yoder was set, meaning he needs to back up and then go into motion, not just decide to go lateral at any moment.
2- Sellers and Yoder were in motion, which is illegal.

Either way, the refs got it right, and I'm glad they did cause we should have gone for the FG at that point, not give up that good positioning if we didn't make the first.

Well, there were two problems.
1- Yoder was set, meaning he needs to back up and then go into motion, not just decide to go lateral at any moment.
2- Sellers and Yoder were in motion, which is illegal.

Either way, the refs got it right, and I'm glad they did cause we should have gone for the FG at that point, not give up that good positioning if we didn't make the first.

If both of them get set before the ball is snapped then it is a shift and not a motion so it is not illegal.They did it in the pre-season and didnt get flagged.

Well, there were two problems.
1- Yoder was set, meaning he needs to back up and then go into motion, not just decide to go lateral at any moment.
2- Sellers and Yoder were in motion, which is illegal.

Either way, the refs got it right.


Good call perhaps but,

1. Don't hold a convention every time a flag gets thrown, and
2. Give a decent explanation.

The ref today just looked in way over his head.

Good call perhaps but,

1. Don't hold a convention every time a flag gets thrown, and
2. Give a decent explanation.

The ref today just looked in way over his head.

I'll agree with you on that.

Love them hogs...once you set yourself, you can not move two players at a time.