Redskins midterm grades

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MTK
11-06-2007, 01:55 PM
I have no problem with the Skins D to date, outside of the Pats of course. Remember that 7 points last week came from special teams.

Turnovers are up this year, sacks are up, points allowed are way down, and the big plays allowed are way down.

This is good defense. Good but not great.

saden1
11-06-2007, 02:12 PM
Offense: D
Defense: B+
Special Teams: B

Overall: C+

We have played very poorly so far this season especially when you consider the talent on this team. Being 5-3 shows that this team can win even when it's struggling...I wonder what they are capable of when they start hitting on all cylinders.


Take us home Joe! Take us to the promised land!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-06-2007, 02:28 PM
Outside of the Giants, Packers, & Pats games, the Skins are undefeated. Averages dont mean much. The Skins do have an average defense.

The Redskins defense allowed: (1) Miami's offense to score 13 points, when other defenses allow them to score 21 points; (2) Philly's offense to score 12 points, when other defenses allow them to score 20 points; (3) the NYG's offense to score 24 points, when other defenses allow them to score 25 points; (4) Detroit's offense to score 3 points, when other defenses allow them to score 25 points; (5) Green Bay's offense to score 10 points, when other defenses allow them to score 24 points; (6) Arizona's offense to score 19 points, when other defenses allow them to score 20; and (7) the Jets' offense to score 13 points, when other defenses allow them to score 18. In short, the Redskins defense are holding opposing offenses to about 9 fewer points per game than they score against other defenses.

I know you can't deal with stats, but I want to hear you come up with a persuasive argument as to why this team's defense is "average." If the Redskins defense is average, every other defense sucks goat testicles.

The problem is they allow teams like the Jets to march down the field to tie the game. They cant really win a game by themselves either.

In the end, they let the Jets score a whopping 13 points. Do you really expect the defense to single-handedly win games? Well if that is your measure of whether a defense is good, you'll never be happy.

I dont know what to say about holding the team to a high standard, maybe if more fans held this organization to a high standard the team might be a perennial playoff team instead of a perennial loser and excuse-maker.

Yes, if I personally hold them to a high standard, they will be a perennial winner. I, as a fan, can will a team to victory. I didn't know that I had such Jedi powers.

irish
11-06-2007, 02:35 PM
The Redskins defense allowed: (1) Miami's offense to score 13 points, when they average 21 points; (2) Philly's offense to score 12 points, when they average 20 points; (3) the NYG's offense to score 24 points, when they average 25 points; (4) Detroit's offense to score 3 points, when they average 25 points; (5) Green Bay's offense to score 10 points, when they average 24; (6) Arizona's offense to score 19 points, when they average 20; and (7) the Jets' offense to score 13 points, when they average 18. I know you can't deal with stats, but I want to hear you come up with a persuasive argument as to why this team's defense is "average." If the Redskins defense is average, every other defense sucks goat testicles.



In the end, they let the Jets score a whopping 13 points. Do you really expect the defense to single-handedly win games? Well if that is your measure of whether a defense is good, you'll never be happy.



Yes, if I personally hold them to a high standard, they will be a perennial winner. I, as a fan, can will a team to victory. I didn't know that I had such Jedi powers.

The Ravens D single-handedly won them a Super Bowl. A defense that can win like that for a team is not good, they are great.

I gave the defense a C (not an F) becuase I think they are average, not great and not bad. I guess you can call that good or average I dont really care what word you use.

MTK
11-06-2007, 02:38 PM
Ok, so one team in NFL history had a defense that carried them all the way with little help from the offense. That Ravens D was a very rare bird, no pun intended. Perhaps the best defense the league has ever seen. Sorry but that's an unrealstic standard to hold this year's Redskins defense to.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-06-2007, 02:40 PM
The Ravens D single-handedly won them a Super Bowl. A defense that can win like that for a team is not good, they are great.

I gave the defense a C (not an F) becuase I think they are average, not great and not bad. I guess you can call that good or average I dont really care what word you use.

You cannot honestly hold the Redskins defense up against the best defense of the modern era of football. You're right then, the Redskins defense is average. It just so happens that the vast majority of the other defenses in the league suck.

MTK
11-06-2007, 02:41 PM
You cannot honestly hold the Redskins defense up against the best defense of the modern era of football. You're right then, the Redskins defense is average. It just so happens that the vast majority of the other defenses in the league suck.

Yeah, I mean if that's the standard we're holding defenses to then there hasn't been a good D in this league since 2000.

Beemnseven
11-06-2007, 02:43 PM
The defense has been mostly good, but not lights out. Allowing Arizona and the Jets to creep back into the game takes them down a slight notch if you ask me -- and that's primarily in the pass defense.

Kellen Clemens looked like an All-Pro, and they let him complete way too many drive-sustaining third downs last week.

Good, but not 2004 good.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-06-2007, 02:45 PM
The defense has been mostly good, but not lights out. Allowing Arizona and the Jets to creep back into the game takes them down a slight notch if you ask me -- and that's primarily in the pass defense.

Kellen Clemens looked like an All-Pro, and they let him complete way too many drive-sustaining third downs last week.

Good, but not 2004 good.

True enough. This defense is not dominant, but they've been pretty good. I think they're pretty comparable to the 2005 defense, which was good enough to get us into the playoffs. If we can get the run game going on a consistent basis, we should be fine.

I must admit, however, that I am scared about the injuries to Rogers and Smoot. Rogers is, of course, on IR and Smoot's injury sounds fairly serious. I wonder if the defense will plunge without healthy #2 and #3 corners.

Beemnseven
11-06-2007, 02:46 PM
RB:Prior to the Jets game Portis was having a disappointing season. Part of the blame has to go to the banged up offensive line, but part of the blame also has to go on Portis. If last week was any indication of what's to come in the 2nd half of the season, the running game should be in good shape. Betts has had a limited role and has had difficulty adjusting to playing so sparingly, and probably understandably so. Grade: B

WR: Everyone outside of Randle El has been disappointing, and even Randle El as cooled off in recent weeks. Moss needs to pick up his play in the 2nd half. Grade: D

Can't really disagree with all but these two. You were kind of generous to the running backs, unless the Jets game gave them a huge boost. To me, they've been a "C-" at best.

WRs get a flat out 'F'. They've been a HUGE disappointment.

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