Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?

2005 didn't count?


if one playoff trip in 4 seasons is success then I guess he has done something. To me, 1 trip in 4 seasons isn't what I call success and yearly progression. Its funny how some accept that as progression. 1 trip on 4 years, 2 in almost 10 years. That is not very successful to me. I dont want to settle for that, and frankly i dont think the majority of redskins fans do either. I want us to be fighting for playoffs every year, like the pats, colts, eagles, seahawks ect. thats success.

if one playoff trip in 4 seasons is success then I guess he has done something. To me, 1 trip in 4 seasons isn't what I call success and yearly progression. Its funny how some accept that as progression. 1 trip on 4 years, 2 in almost 10 years. That is not very successful to me. I dont want to settle for that, and frankly i dont think the majority of redskins fans do either. I want us to be fighting for playoffs every year, like the pats, colts, eagles, seahawks ect. thats success.

Woah, don't get ahead of yourself here. You said that Gibbs hasn't done anything since returning, I simply pointed out that he has in fact done something.

I never equated 2005 with success or progress.

2005 didn't count?

Why do people point to 2005 as some beacon of achievement? Yes, we won 5 straight and a playoff game but in the scheme of his return that's the equivalent to a blind squirrel finding a nut. That's an anomoly to the rest of the time he's been back..

Even with that streak he's still under .500 for his return, has an older team in worse cap shape than what he took over, other than that stretch has not won more than 2 games in a row, has had at least a 3 game losing streak each year, has not improved sideline/time/game management (see timeout gaffe last week) and has lost 15 games where the team has had a 2nd half lead..

Look, I love Gibbs as much as the next guy, was a huge fan during Gibbs 1.0, was crushed when he retired and elated when he came back but let's be real, he's not getting it done this time around and we're no better than we were when he took over..

I'm not trying to complain in the glow of last nights win (although it may seem as such) but even with that we're a game below .500 this year and out of the playoffs (as it stands now).. That's not progress nor what we should expect from a Hall of Fame coach..

Woah, don't get ahead of yourself here. You said that Gibbs hasn't done anything since returning, I simply pointed out that he has in fact done something.

I never equated 2005 with success or progress.


I can see this is going to go on and on. You put 2005 as a question, yes or no? if you are saying 2005 was not a success, then he has done absolutely nothing. The team will be in no better position if he leaves this year or next that what it was before he got here. We all hoped that Joe would step in and stop some of Danny's needless spending, bad roster moves, and Joe has done none of that. We are still carrying more dead money than anyone in the NFL, highest payroll in NFL history and still fielding 5-11 teams. Joe has embrased this new found free agency that he didn't have before.

Question : what do you feel joe has done in his 4 years that would be labled as success? that is a serious question, not being sarcastic. Maybe you will bring a point up that I have not thought about or fail to see.

Nevermind, I was making a very simple point, guess you missed it.

Why do people point to 2005 as some beacon of achievement? Yes, we won 5 straight and a playoff game but in the scheme of his return that's the equivalent to a blind squirrel finding a nut. That's an anomoly to the rest of the time he's been back..

Even with that streak he's still under .500 for his return, has an older team in worse cap shape than what he took over, other than that stretch has not won more than 2 games in a row, has had at least a 3 game losing streak each year, has not improved sideline/time/game management (see timeout gaffe last week) and has lost 15 games where the team has had a 2nd half lead..

Look, I love Gibbs as much as the next guy, was a huge fan during Gibbs 1.0, was crushed when he retired and elated when he came back but let's be real, he's not getting it done this time around and we're no better than we were when he took over..

I'm not trying to complain in the glow of last nights win (although it may seem as such) but even with that we're a game below .500 this year and out of the playoffs (as it stands now).. That's not progress nor what we should expect from a Hall of Fame coach..


you and I are on the same page. for some reason people here want to say year in and year out we are headed in the right direction. We are stuck in neutral as far as I can see. 2 playoffs in 10 years!! that is joke if you want to be lumped into the elite....wait good teams of the NFL. We are lumped in with the Browns, Texans, group. We are not a good team from top to bottom, including the front office. Joe has not done anything since being here. I am right with you on everything you say, but we will get blasted, be prepared.

Nevermind, I was making a very simple point, guess you missed it.


I was asking a serious question, i wanted to hear your answer. seriously. what do you think Joe has done in 4 years that would be a considered a success.
I am not trying to be a smart ass, i truely do want to see your opinion.

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about when I say there are people that don't allow others to be fans. We'd lost four games in a row and suffered the death of one the best players the leagues has seen in a long long time. And then we finally win, and hold onto our glimmer of hope for a playoff or at the very least a strong finish to the year and a winning record.

Look big picture I know we have issues that need to be addressed. I also know that we have made significant strides in several areas both on and off the field (I'm done pointing them out). But what is so wrong with just enjoying the game and enjoying a win? Why does every game (win or lose) have to be followed by this same damn "conservative play-calling, 2005 was a fraud" discussion?

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about when I say there are people that don't allow others to be fans. We'd lost four games in a row and suffered the death of one the best players the leagues has seen in a long long time. And then we finally win, and hold onto our glimmer of hope for a playoff or at the very least a strong finish to the year and a winning record.

Look big picture I know we have issues that need to be addressed. I also know that we have made significant strides in several areas both on and off the field (I'm done pointing them out). But what is so wrong with just enjoying the game and enjoying a win? Why does every game (win or lose) have to be followed by this same damn "conservative play-calling, 2005 was a fraud" discussion?


the thread is called Should joe go, nothing about last nights game? This discussion started well before last nights game. This has absolutely nothing to do about last nights game. has nothing to do with anyone being a fan or letting people be fans. This was a question asked and we all simply responded. Turst me, I was at the bar until 1 celebrating the win. I can seperate the enjoyment of winning and addressing what I feel is a less than average coaching staff.

Look big picture I know we have issues that need to be addressed. I also know that we have made significant strides in several areas both on and off the field (I'm done pointing them out). But what is so wrong with just enjoying the game and enjoying a win? Why does every game (win or lose) have to be followed by this same damn "conservative play-calling, 2005 was a fraud" discussion?



Some people aren't happy unless everyone around them are miserable.

Give Vince Lombardi these injuries and bad luck and he'd do no better than Joe Gibbs has.

I guess people want Spurrier or Schottenheimer back. Hey, I bet Norv Turner will be looking for a new job in 2008... Oh those glory days.