Should Gregg Williams return as defensive coordinator in '08?

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Slingin Sammy 33
12-19-2007, 03:27 PM
I'm more inclined to call 2004 an aberration and ascribe 2006 to GW not having a field general out there. With Pierce gone, we had Washington leading the charge. I love the way Marcus plays out there, but the consensus is that he is not much of a student of the defensive game. With Fletcher, we're seeing a lot more cohesion out there.

Now, you can say that's the players, not the coach, but I think GW's system is back on track with the right core nucleus of players (intelligent MLB, FS with huge range, quick DE).
I understand what you're saying, but how do you account for us doing well in the first half of games and then having major let-downs in the second half. Based on the poll results I guess everyone blames the offense or it doesn't concern anyone but me? I know the offense hasn't done a great job this season, but the offense hasn't given up points or had critical turnovers in our own territory to cost us games. It isn't a player issue or we'd be getting beat from start to finish.

GW is one of, if not the highest paid assistant coach in the NFL. He has complete control of the defense and has had a major say in the personnel brought in to run it. To be responsible for losing the most or second most 1st half leads in the NFL in the last four years is not acceptable. Again, if we were getting beat from start to finish, fine, maybe it is a player issue, injury issue, or the offense just stinks, but we are getting the lead at half and then losing.

Slingin Sammy 33
12-19-2007, 03:32 PM
We would also be 9 and 5 if the O could have scored 20 points in 9 games. So it goes both ways. The O has only scored 30 or more points one time.
The offense has been consistent outside of the Eagles & Packers game. Consistently not very good, but still consistent. I guess to me the main thing that points to a big coaching problem is the defense isn't consistent and breaks down after halftime.

firstdown
12-19-2007, 03:35 PM
The offense has been consistent outside of the Eagles & Packers game. Consistently not very good, but still consistent. I guess to me the main thing that points to a big coaching problem is the defense isn't consistent and breaks down after halftime.
Maybe because they spend the whole first half picking up the slack for the O and by the 2nd half are tired of running on and off the field.

rypper11
12-19-2007, 03:36 PM
I am for GW staying. I think sometimes he outthinks himself but when he doesn't trust the guys he goes vanilla (much like Saunders). I like that we don't give up big plays and that we force an offense to play a perfect game to win (like the Patriots).
How can GW be the heir apparent to Coach Joe? Don't the Skins have to interview a black coach should any position open? Would Blache be given a token interview like Green was given last time?

hail_2_da_skins
12-19-2007, 03:36 PM
A big yes. Greg Williams has done an outstanding job. He should be the next in line if Gibbs decides to retire. The second half breakdowns are because of conservative and predictable offensive play calling that has left the defense on the field too long.

SmootSmack
12-19-2007, 03:37 PM
You really have to take it on a game by game basis. The Packers loss was entirely on the offense (namely Moss' fumble), the Giants loss was probably a joint effort, the Eagles loss was on the defense (letting Westbrook run through them for a 50+ yard TD). The Tampa loss is on the offense turning the ball over 6 times. Some say the Bills' loss is entirely on Gibbs. I say why did the D give up such a huge pass down the middle to set up the final field goal.

And arguments can be made in almost all the above cases for the other side costing us the game.

Plus, let's not act like we had huge leads at the half. In most cases it was a TD or less.

Paintrain
12-19-2007, 03:45 PM
You really have to take it on a game by game basis. The Packers loss was entirely on the offense (namely Moss' fumble), the Giants loss was probably a joint effort, the Eagles loss was on the defense (letting Westbrook run through them for a 50+ yard TD). The Tampa loss is on the offense turning the ball over 6 times. Some say the Bills' loss is entirely on Gibbs. I say why did the D give up such a huge pass down the middle to set up the final field goal.

And arguments can be made in almost all the above cases for the other side costing us the game.

Plus, let's not act like we had huge leads at the half. In most cases it was a TD or less.

SS, in every game lost, with the exception of possibly GB, we've had no less than a 10 point lead in every 2nd half.

Slingin Sammy 33
12-19-2007, 03:49 PM
Maybe because they spend the whole first half picking up the slack for the O and by the 2nd half are tired of running on and off the field.
If we were up 3-0 in these games then maybe yes. But the offense is putting up decent numbers in the first half of these games. Also in the first half of these games the defense has played well and shut the opponent down. Then at halftime everything goes south and the opponent marches up and down the field on us, picking apart our basic Cover-2.

SmootSmack
12-19-2007, 04:01 PM
SS, in every game lost, with the exception of possibly GB, we've had no less than a 10 point lead in every 2nd half.

I see what you're saying. I'm talking about the halftime lead specifically. Either way, I think it's way too simplistic to place the blame entirely on one side

Slingin Sammy 33
12-19-2007, 04:04 PM
You really have to take it on a game by game basis. The Packers loss was entirely on the offense (namely Moss' fumble), the Giants loss was probably a joint effort, the Eagles loss was on the defense (letting Westbrook run through them for a 50+ yard TD). The Tampa loss is on the offense turning the ball over 6 times. Some say the Bills' loss is entirely on Gibbs. I say why did the D give up such a huge pass down the middle to set up the final field goal.

And arguments can be made in almost all the above cases for the other side costing us the game.

Plus, let's not act like we had huge leads at the half. In most cases it was a TD or less.

Giants: 17-3 Skins at Half / 21-0 NYG in 2nd L
Packers: 14-7 Skins at Half / 10-0 GB in 2nd L
Cards: 14-6 Skins at Half / 13-7 Cards in 2nd W
Eagles: 12-7 Skins at Half / 26-13 Eagles in 2nd L
Dallas: 10-7 Skins at Half / 21-13 Dallas in 2nd L
Bills: 9-2 Skins at Half / 15-7 Bills in 2nd L
Bears: 7-0 Skins at Half / 17-16 Skins in 2nd W

My problem is; how do you explain the defense going from good 1st half to bad 2nd half on a consistent basis other than the guy calling the defense not making good halftime adjustments or making bad defensive calls in the 2nd half. If there's another valid explanation I would love to hear it because I can't figure it out.

I don't think offensively Gibbs has changed very much, but I guess I was spoiled by watching Richie Pettibone's defense consistently hold small leads for Gibbs.

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