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jsarno 12-31-2007, 01:39 PM FYI- I heard somewhere that there are more stabbings in the country than fire arm issues. (unsure how true that is, but it's easy to see how that could be true) So if we're so willing to take guns out of the equation for honest people, then why do we continue to make knives...something that can be bought at any grocery store without age limits?
Fear is often the reason to discuss gun laws, fear should never be in the equation.
dmek25 12-31-2007, 04:30 PM Well, I do respect your opinion, but I slightly disagree as to why there are guns. There are people shot all the time that don't die, therefore they are not intended solely for killing people. In fact, many thefts / break ins have been prevented just because a gun was present.
I understand there are ramifications for the use of guns, but I also understand that nothing protects you better.
I do firmly agree with the 2nd amendment, however, if the country could guarentee that gun laws would keep guns out of the hands of evil people, then I'd listen more intently and reserve the right to change my mind. We all know that will never happen, so all gun laws do is hurt the honest people, which makes them pretty damn useless. This is something that pro gun law people miss regularly. All gun laws will do is cause more harm because people won't be able to protect themselves, and the evil people will have easy access to them. For that fact alone, the argument about gun laws becomes moot.
There is a reason we as americans have the right to have fire arms, this country was founded on it. You don't go outside and take a sledge hammer to the foundation of your house do you? So why take one to what made America great?
I am curious as to what you meant by, "no need for new laws, just use the existing ones." The existing laws allow everyone to own a gun. So what laws are you speaking of?
the laws on the books, as far as when someone uses a gun to commit a crime. or the minimum sentence laws that require, in most cases, a minimum of 5 years in any crime committed with a gun. too much plea bargaining. and not enough of the stiffer sentencing
dmek25 12-31-2007, 04:33 PM and do you understand what the word " amendment " means? it takes something like the constitution, which is over 200 years old, and makes it adapt to today's way of life. back when it was written, everyone needed a gun. that doesn't apply to today's world( in my opinion)
DynamiteRave 12-31-2007, 04:57 PM and do you understand what the word " amendment " means? it takes something like the constitution, which is over 200 years old, and makes it adapt to today's way of life. back when it was written, everyone needed a gun. that doesn't apply to today's world( in my opinion)
Which is why I don't advocate widespread lax gun laws too much. If everyone had a gun, the world would be even more wrecked than it is now. Ex-cons coming out of jail getting guns because they couldn't be restricted. I mean people would be even more prone to breaking in if they had a gun. Its a 50/50 chance then and for some guys, thats more than enough.
There's even a problem now with gang members joining the military, then coming out with military tactics and using high powered guns against the police who have decent training but not enough to go up against a guy with military battle skills.
I don't mind people having guns but the laws need to be a little more restrictive or tightened up a little.
MPNRedskins 12-31-2007, 06:34 PM After hearing everything that occurred surrounding Sean's death, I personally have taken steps to make sure my house is secure. I don't live in an area where break-ins happen on a daily basis, but they are frequent. If someone comes into my house, they will be met with a nice "round", if you catch my drift. The 2nd Amendment was made for a reason.
DynamiteRave 12-31-2007, 06:51 PM After hearing everything that occurred surrounding Sean's death, I personally have taken steps to make sure my house is secure. I don't live in an area where break-ins happen on a daily basis, but they are frequent. If someone comes into my house, they will be met with a nice "round", if you catch my drift. The 2nd Amendment was made for a reason.
Maybe we're wrong about bearing arms. Like Family Guy said: Maybe we have the right to HANG bear arms on our walls. :)
dmek25 12-31-2007, 07:29 PM After hearing everything that occurred surrounding Sean's death, I personally have taken steps to make sure my house is secure. I don't live in an area where break-ins happen on a daily basis, but they are frequent. If someone comes into my house, they will be met with a nice "round", if you catch my drift. The 2nd Amendment was made for a reason.
the reason was to withstand the government turning on the everyday Joe, and basically turning into a communistic society
jsarno 01-01-2008, 12:06 AM the laws on the books, as far as when someone uses a gun to commit a crime. or the minimum sentence laws that require, in most cases, a minimum of 5 years in any crime committed with a gun. too much plea bargaining. and not enough of the stiffer sentencing
I agree with you on that 100%. I've been preaching stiffer sentences for years, problem is, the jails and prisons are already full, and no one wants a prison near their home.
jsarno 01-01-2008, 12:07 AM and do you understand what the word " amendment " means? it takes something like the constitution, which is over 200 years old, and makes it adapt to today's way of life. back when it was written, everyone needed a gun. that doesn't apply to today's world( in my opinion)
I absolutely do...maybe I do not understand what you are refering to then cause when you "amend" something you just adjust it, not delete it.
jsarno 01-01-2008, 12:11 AM I don't mind people having guns but the laws need to be a little more restrictive or tightened up a little.
Really, I don't see how it can be. It can only hurt the honest people, not the "evil people". Only the honest will follow the rules, so there is no point in doing that since the honest ones are the ones that need protection. There are no stiffer penalties in site right now, and that is what is needed for the "evil people".
(note- evil people is not a reference to "evil doers", it is merely lumping together all people that do armed robberies, or break ins, or car jackings etc.)
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