Tim Hasselbeck needs to start for this team

Hasselbeck does need to show what he can do with the starting team, but with a better supporting cast I think he may play better. Time will tell. I do think his skills are excellent and with Gibbs and company there to teach him, he will only get better. He provides a spark. He is an exciting player, to me. You need your quarterback to be someone who will make things happen.

I'm a Hasselbeck believer right now. I like what I saw from him last year and I thought he was our best quarterback then, especially in light of the pass protection schemes and Ramsey's indecisiveness. We needed a scrambler then. We may need one this year as well.

Hasselbeck is someone you will see in the Pro Bowl at some point. Andy Reid thought very highly of him. Joe Gibbs is making comments.

I'm glad he is a Redskin.

First off as many have elaborated on already, this is the first preseason game. You better believe that Brunell and Ramsey will get much much better than what we saw tonight as the preseason runs it's course. They have too because there both fighting over the starting QB position. I believe that Brunell will win it out easily. The main purpose of the first couple of preseason games is to evaluate the rookies and second and third string players. Gibbs will make all the non believers see why he signed Brunell by week 3 in the preseason. :lol:

I'm a believer in Mark Brunell too, actually. I'm not sure that he is the best quarterback for this team right now. Time will tell.

Our offense hasn't looked good yet in training camp. It is still early, that is true. But it's not too early to look at who is providing the fire and spark right now.

I do think that Patrick Ramsey has too many things he needs to work out to develop himself into a top quarterback. His indecisiveness is a major problem. I think he worries about making mistakes, looking like he did against New Orleans in his second game.

My second concern with him is what John Madden observed - he doesn't look comfortable running this team. It's early, but is he going to suddenly find all this fire and spark and start being decisive before the end of preseason?

Time will tell.

Ramsey has a lot of talent - all three of our top quarterbacks do. I think that it will come down to Brunell and Hasselbeck, however, for this season. My money is on Tim to start before the end of the season.

I think it is this indecisivness we started to see way back in the season opener against the Jets where he really strugled in the second half after fumbling following a sack which is why we gave up so much for Brunell. Ramsey has skills but he needs more than anything to belive in himself that has to be the key.

I rember some of the comments about TH when he came in here last year that TH cameinto the huddle two weeks after joining the team and really felt like he owned the team. He has the confidence to lead the team and make decisions and live with them which unfortunatly Ramsey at this point doesn't.

tim has always been good, but last year when he started, it was a NOTICEABLE drop off from ramsey. His play against a 3rd string defense is meaningless. If gibbs starts him 1st string in one of the pre season games (which he might) and he can prove himself there, then such statements would seem better founded. What you saw is that tim is really a solid 2nd string QB stuck with a 3rd string job in washington. He is probably the best 3rd QB in the league, but that DOES NOT get him an invite into the pro bowl, or even on the field... he'll have to prove himself against real 1st stringers AND get on the field before I'd even bother thinking about his pro bowl aspirations.

This was the FIRST pre-season game.

I am beginning to wonder how musch of last year was Spurriers system and how much was Patrick Ramsey holding on to the ball too long? How bout that bum Sean Taylor? Who is Gari Scott looks like one of the posse to me. Defense soft up the middle. O-line looked pretty good. Defense got penetration. I think we will be much improved. Hail to the Redskins, and yes Tim Hasselback was playing third stringers with and against third stringers but he outplayed Ramsey he looked horrible we should have gotten that first round pick, but atleast he got a couple years to unlearn what Spurrier taught him.

LOL...dang that's rough Matty, but I guess it has to be said. But hey, he had the coolness and the timing down... :headbangeYeah maybe a bit too rough, I apologize to Shane.

My point is TH was playing against 3rd stringers and guys who won't even make the Broncos team. So let's relax a little bit before we elevate TH to starter status and reserve a plane ticket for him to Hawaii.

TH is a solid backup, don't get me wrong I really like him. He came in last year and played very well under the circumstances. That being said the reality of it is he's an average QB with an average arm. He's a solid #2 or #3 guy.

I'll probably say it over and over this week, with the preseason you can't get too high or too low.

Brunell and Ramsey both struggled, but I honestly expected that. If you expected the offense to come out and light things up your expectation level was unreasonable.

But the Broncos looked good on offense you may say. Of course they did, Shanahan has been with that team for years now, it's an established and successful system and alot of their players know it inside and out. They also don't have the roster turnover we have. Gibbs and company have been in training camp for a week.

Relax folks and enjoy the ride. It's a long season.

Ramsey has some technical difficulties that last year I attributed to Spurrier, that maybe I need to re-evaluate. Yes, he's been in training camp for one week. But he's been a QB for 2 seasons and still moves like a ice wagon and spends too much time deciding where to throw the ball. Fumbles, overthrown passes and the good 3 and out is reflective of last years season. If Ramsey and Brunell doesn't improve in there performances this saturday against Carolina, Hasselbeck will be asked to start in the next preseason against a first string team. I'm convinced this team must have a spirited leader in the QB position. Not just someone who has a rifle arm. What good is the arm if you're overthrowing the ball ?

OK now we are at what if: If and when TH starts and proves that he can play a role of back up or starter, I could see us trading Ramsey for a tackle. As much as I hate to see Ramsey go I think we would have to fill the need and I dont think we could trade Brunell as easy as Ramsey. But hopefully we wont have to worry about Ramsey not playing well. It was the only the first pre-season game. We dont have to worry about it for a week or so.