Some other ways of looking at Gibbs' Second Stint

Frankly, we deserved a 6-win season in 2004 - we just weren't that good.

In 2005, however, I think we overachieved. That was probably more like an 8-win season.

In 2006, we underachieved - we probably should have won at least 3 more games, IIRC.

This year, I think our record reflected where we are as a team, although it was a fairly inconsistent season as a whole (hopefully the Skins of the last 4 games are the "real" Skins).

In short...Gibbs left the Skins better than he got the Skins. Point blank! Mission accomplished.

In short...Gibbs left the Skins better than he got the Skins. Point blank! Mission accomplished.

You mean like this?
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The best way to look at Joe Gibbs second time around is what he has done for th organizations, owner and fans. Did I think when Joe was hired again that I would be celebrating another Superbowl for the Skins? Of course I did, He is one of the greatest coaches to ever work in the NFL. But as it has been said he did take us to the playoffs two years out of four. He has shown Danny Boy that we do not need to pay old stars big money to come in and win now. We need patients to build a consistent winner and I think Danny will now move forward in that fashion. Get the right guys in that can play and not just big names at the end of their career. This ship has been corrected and is heading in the right direction finally and that is a direct reflection of what Joe did for us. If we did not have so many injuries this year, and losing the best player on our team, I think we are still playing right now. I want to thank Joe for everything he has meant to the Redskins, he will always be our leader and the coach of the Washington Redskins. I just hope he gets his dues next year when we really make a push in the playoffs, unlike Bill Parcells not getting too much credit for what he has done for the Cowgirls.

Also he made the Cowboys-Redskins rivalry come back to life, it was so one sided for so many years.

Hey, I think that there is only one way to look at it, Joe took us to the playoffs 2 out of 4 years, period. Furthermore, All the years he was gone we went once.
Your right all the other years we went once. So your comparing Gibbs to those other coaches like Spur. Norv, etc... not too much of a compliment if you ask me. Heck I could pick out other coachs to compare Spur too and he would look good.

Your right all the other years we went once. So your comparing Gibbs to those other coaches like Spur. Norv, etc... not too much of a compliment if you ask me. Heck I could pick out other coachs to compare Spur too and he would look good.

Who else are we to compare Gibbs to that has coached the Redskins since his first departure?

i guess all i can say is joe,s legacy remains the same and he has helped this organization understand you need to put some things together with time and less money not more.
joe gibbs was and is the best at pushing the not so talented player to the upmost potential and get the most out of them and i started to see this the last 4 games of the season...now it,s up to synder to take what he has learned hopefully these past 4 years and continue on with the success...time will tell but the gibbs second go round has made us better and now it,s a matter of keeping it together and adding to it....

Hey, I think that there is only one way to look at it, Joe took us to the playoffs 2 out of 4 years, period. Furthermore, All the years he was gone we went once.

Great point. Taking it another step, how many combined playoff appearances/wins were made by the other head coaches in the league during that four years. Other than Belichick, Dungy and a few others, they can't hold a candle to Gibbs.

GMAT

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Winning isn't enough if there's more to win.

I'm not a big numbers guy, but I do find the following somewhat interesting regarding the team's record:

2004-2007 30-34 (1-2 playoffs)

2000-2003 27-37 (no playoffs appearances)

1996-1999 33-30-1 (1-1 playoffs)

Is the team better off as a result of JG's return? From a won-loss perspective I would have to say no. The team won 3 more games in 4 years under Gibbs than they did during the Spurrier/Marty/Turner-Robiskie tenure. Do we consider that record all that much better? From a playoff perspective, yes the team is better off. 2 appearances in 4 years with a playoff win is heading in the right direction, but we as knowledgeable football fans, and passionate Redskin fans should not be satisfied with simply making it to the playoffs. Ownership and the coaching staff and players should not be satisfied with that either. That is setting the bar too low.

By looking at estimated wins, and pythagorean wins courtesy of FootballOutsiders.com

Estimated Wins provides a figure that attempts to reevaluate each teams' season in terms of wins, but eliminate factors that the team cannot control.

Pythagorean wins simply looks at the points scored and points against, and determines how many games should have been won if the scores had been spread out over the entire season.

2004: Washington wins 6 games, with 6.8 estimated wins, and 7.1 pythagorean wins

2005: Washington wins 10 games, with 10.4 estimated wins, and 9.9 pythagorean wins

2006: Washington wins 5 games, with 6.8 estimated wins, and 6.1 pythagorean wins

2007: Washington wins 9 games, with 8.3 estimated wins, and 8.7 pythagorean wins

Overall 2nd Gibbs stint: 30 regular season wins, 32.3 estimated wins, and 31.8 pythagorean wins.

If not for luck, Joe Gibbs would have turned two of those 34 regular season losses into wins, effectively giving him a legitimate .500 record in these 4 years.

I don't think that's very bad at all.

Yeah I have a response... Uh, what?

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Just kiddin' ya, Tripp.