Madden 2005

the camera angles/views on madden (even in AI vs AI matches as a spectator) have been really good for a couple years at least. I assume espn has mastered that too... either way, I don't think you'll see that as a weak spot in many games... not now, 3d's matured a lot since tecmo came out ;)

As a tie in to another thread, I think it's dead wrong that Madden isn't in the Hall of Fame. For those of use 35 and under (or thereabouts) I don't know who has done more to teach us the game of football than John Madden. From the time I was nine, I learned more about football from him calling games than I ever did from the pee-wee coaches I had. The video games became a suped-up telestrator for me insofar as learning the nuances.

Granted, it's kind of simplistic to listen to him now, but for those 10 year olds out there today, there's no one better to learn about the game from. After a while, they'll graduate to Jaws, too!

doesnt he have a 75% win percentage as a head coach? thats damn impressive.

I had no idea until this weekend that Madden wasn't in the Hall of Fame. That's ridiculous! Dare I say even more ridiculous than Art Monk not being in there.

I don't know what more he had to, over 100 wins, Super Bowl champ, had Joe Gibbs as an assistant

His game is in the Hall but not him, doesn't make sense. Then again, not making sense is what the HOF voters are all about.

His game is in the Hall but not him, doesn't make sense. Then again, not making sense is what the HOF voters are all about.

Also, 10 players that he coached are in the Hall.......

I picked up Madden 2005 for X-box last night, but I haven't had a chance to play it yet. I'll let you know what I think when I do.

--Phinehas