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SouperMeister 01-26-2008, 12:52 PM I think that right now the smartest thing for the Redskins would be to hire Fassal as Head Coach and promote Blache to DC. I think that not only would that help the Redskins maintain continuity but Blache would appreciate the chance to be in a position where other teams would take him seriously as a Head Coaching canidate.I thought that I read that Blache wasn't interested in moving up to defensive coordinator, even had Williams been promoted to head coach.
As for Matty's premise on the long term viability of the staff (or lack thereof), I agree with that on the offensive side of the ball, but not on Defense. Williams is 49 or 50. He has some excellent young guys on his staff, particularly Jerry Gray and Kirk Olivadotti. Even with the loss of Sean Taylor, Laron Landry looked perfectly suited to step into Williams's deep FS role as exhibited by his two 4th quarter picks in the playoff game. If Fassel or someone else from the outside is hired as HC, I would feel a lot better if Jerry Gray was promoted to defensive coordinator. Gray also coached with Williams in Buffalo, and could bring some level of continuity to what Williams built on the Redskins D.
Schneed10 01-26-2008, 12:55 PM I think these are all fair points, and for the record, I do think a staff of Fassel, Zorn, and some defensive coordinator to be named can be a good staff for the long haul.
But Matty, I really have a bone to pick with your argument, and it seems like a point made consistently by those supporting a decision passing over GW:
Dan Snyder's ego. The point basically says Snyder has an ego, and plans on being heavily involved, so we need a coach who will fit in with that. And given that Snyder isn't going to back off, you're right. But why exactly are you comfortable with Snyder being involved? Why is Snyder given a free pass? Why does his ego HAVE to get in the way?
Why can't Snyder be like Bob Kraft, or Jim Irsay, or the late Art Rooney, or the late Jack Kent Cooke? These men didn't/don't get involved in the football operations of the team. They scrutinize their coaches and GMs, but by no means are they involved in player-personnel decisions. But because Dan Snyder is involved, he needs someone he can work with. So we fire Marty after one season. He can't work with Gregg Williams. With Snyder's attitude, we significantly narrow the pool of coaching candidates he'll accept.
A good owner will hire the best people and leave it up to them. He won't micromanage and try to do the GM's work for him.
So the problem I have ultimately isn't with the coaching choice. The problem I have is Snyder can't put his big fat ego in check. He insists on getting in the way. And in my opinion, your points are even giving way to his ego.
Given that Snyder's ego isn't going anywhere, I agree with the staffing choices being made. But man, where's the outrage at the ego? Maybe we need to parse the argument a little bit - do you feel Snyder should be involved in coaching and player personnel decisions? If so, why?
SFREDSKIN 01-26-2008, 12:57 PM I AM ready for Schwartz as a possible DC. System would be relatively the same and I really do like the Zorn signing.
Do you think Jeff Fisher will just let him go? Especially if the Redskins did screw over his best friend? The only way is if Williams goes back to the Titans with Schwartz becoming free to come here.
skinsguy 01-26-2008, 01:00 PM Also want to add that for future reference, if the new OC and DC performs above expectations, then there should be some type of incentive in their contract. The incentive can be that if they perform above expectations, then they cannot be fired throughout their contract's lifespan if there is a change at head coach. At least that would maintain some sense of continuity regardless who the head coach is. Of course, if the OC and DC are performing above expectations and the Redskins are winning above .500, then the head coach probably wouldn't be fired in the first place. :-/
dblanch66 01-26-2008, 01:00 PM Given that Snyder's ego isn't going anywhere, I agree with the staffing choices being made. But man, where's the outrage at the ego?
He owns the team. He can do what he wants.
SouperMeister 01-26-2008, 01:02 PM Do you think Jeff Fisher will just let him go? Especially if the Redskins did screw over his best friend? The only way is if Williams goes back to the Titans with Schwartz becoming free to come here.And as a lateral move for Schawartz, the Titans could demand compensation. Schwartz as our DC is not going to happen - he interviewed for the head coaching position.
Schneed10 01-26-2008, 01:03 PM Given that Snyder's ego isn't going anywhere, I agree with the staffing choices being made. But man, where's the outrage at the ego?
He owns the team. He can do what he wants.
Of course he can do what he wants. That's an obvious statement (and an asinine one at that). But that's not the question. The question is SHOULD he do what he wants?
I say no, because Snyder doesn't understand what it takes to put together a football team.
SFREDSKIN 01-26-2008, 01:03 PM Given that Snyder's ego isn't going anywhere, I agree with the staffing choices being made. But man, where's the outrage at the ego?
He owns the team. He can do what he wants.
Maybe Dan Snyder is Al Davis's son? Dan (Al Davis Jr.) Snyder.
skinsguy 01-26-2008, 01:12 PM Of course he can do what he wants. That's an obvious statement (and an asinine one at that). But that's not the question. The question is SHOULD he do what he wants?
I say no, because Snyder doesn't understand what it takes to put together a football team.
Then the bigger question is, should he even own a sports franchise? I personally feel even the owner should be some sort of a football person in order to understand how the franchise works. Dan knows how to make money off of the Redskins through merchandise and ticket sales, but those things will eventually fall by the way side unless the franchise itself can make the money "on the field" by winning football games.
SouperMeister 01-26-2008, 01:21 PM Then the bigger question is, should he even own a sports franchise? I personally feel even the owner should be some sort of a football person in order to understand how the franchise works. Dan knows how to make money off of the Redskins through merchandise and ticket sales, but those things will eventually fall by the way side unless the franchise itself can make the money "on the field" by winning football games.I disagree that you need to be a football person to be an effective owner. Some of the best owners know little about football, but also know that the most effective leaders hire the best available talent to help the enterprise succeed. Bob Kraft and Jeffrey Lurie are two examples of that. I agree with the poster (Schneed?) who says that The Danny's ego limits the pool of candidates that will work for the Skins. If the ego of the owner is a factor in who is willing to come here, then we have serious issues at the top.
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