Loose Change

Fair enough. Sorry, however, I still disagree both with the premise of the film and the extent to which it was carried. I am a firm beliewver in questioning governement. I am will also ridicule as foolish and arrogant those who refuse to use logic or reason in their presentation of ideas.

You object to the terms "moron", "spitting in the face", and others of that ilk. As I said, although not your original intention - the original post your initial response invited in light of the baselessness of the original video. As I said before, idiotic and/or baseless statements deserve to be ridiculed. Otherwise, to treat them with respect is to grant them something they not don't deserve but is harmful b/c to give them respect is undercut their idiocy. Foolish people debate foolish statements.

Did something, perhaps, slip by that should've been found out? Yup. But guess what, that happens everyday in government. As someone said, on one hand there is this desire to imply the govt. is carefully scheming away while at the same time assert that their is some brilliant plot at work. It the same argument that has been made for thousands of years - dark mysterious forces are manipulating our government and our perceptions.

There is undoubtedly some attempt by some individuals to manipulate feelings - that too is as old as government itself (and religion for that matter). But, and this is a big but, such conspiracies rarely run as deep or are as organized as those who wish to oppose them assert. It's foolish game of manipulation by both sides and one that requires a careful balancing of skepticism and trust.

As I said before, idiotic and/or baseless statements deserve to be ridiculed.it wasn't the posts that were being ridiculed... it was the poster. Everyone is guilty of getting offended and spouting off, but that doesn't make it right. Calling someone you disagree with a moron is wrong, even if he's wrong... Hell even if he's a complete moron (at least within the bounds of the warpath, so sayeth canthetuna).

the difference is probably one of the points on that poster titled "All I ever really needed to know I learned in kindergarten"

Again, fair enough. Though his initial responses did seem to invite a certain level of abuse. Clearly, their was plenty of room for misunderstanding on both sides.

And, BTW - scientifical is officially in my lexicon. JGLR, please know that I do not use it to ridicule you but b/c it so accurately catches the tenor of so much of what is proposed as true scientific doctrine. (It's like science, but it's not! - it's scientifical).

JGLOTR, I point this out as something that's hopefully helpful and not seen as an attack, but you kind of shot yourself in the foot in the very first post of this thread.

Saying that you watched a one hour video by a couple of college kids and you now feel "duped and violated" doesn't say much for your reasoning ability. To be quite honest I think you're a perfectly reasonable individual and have had many worthwhile posts on this thread, but this one didn't start out too well.

It's along the lines of me coming on here and saying "Hey guys, I just read Humpty Dumpty and I am OUTRAGED at how all the King's men couldn't put him back together! I feel totally misled and lied to about their egg-fixing ability!"

I guess the point is, don't have your world view and opinion on the government and country shaped by a one hour video by some college kids which has been decried and debunked around the internet almost nonstop.

Personally I think there are some major holes in the official story and you're right to be skeptical and ask questions, but give it some due diligence and make an informed decision from the facts available to you. And find a better source than some pretentious college kids who lack basic PR and debate skills.

Again, this is no indictment of you - I think you just got off on the wrong foot, people made some immature and inflammatory comments toward you, and the whole thing got out of hand. No reason to waste 1,000+ posts and the relationships with people on the site over this.

Well said Mheisig.

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I mean its just that your ignorance is astounding. Take a hint and shut the **** up. Smoot is a bigger man then you will ever be, hes not the one blowing up about being wrong. I have watch loose change and I guess im a sheep as you put it becuase form the moment I watched it I called total BS. 2/2 eh I guess you are a dumb bitch after all. Sorry after reading all the scientifical stuff JGILOTR was attacking reason with i couldnt holf back anymore.

We don't need to incite the sitaution anymore. Hopefully by now JGLOTR has realized that the huge flaws in that movie. I think he has

I think it's nice that you guys were able to come to a rational discussion after all that. But this was a case where you were better off not starting this thread.

Even though people have managed to be civil and rational to you doesn't mean they've come away with a very high opinion of you. You've done that to yourself. It's going to be tough for me to take just about anything you say seriously from now on, because I'm always going to think back and say this was the same guy who bought into Loose Change, so why should I care what he thinks about a free agency acquisition?

Reputation matters. Think before you post.

Again, fair enough. Though his initial responses did seem to invite a certain level of abuse. Clearly, their was plenty of room for misunderstanding on both sides.

And, BTW - scientifical is officially in my lexicon. JGLR, please know that I do not use it to ridicule you but b/c it so accurately catches the tenor of so much of what is proposed as true scientific doctrine. (It's like science, but it's not! - it's scientifical).

Ok, that makes sense then.

hehe...Scientifical

I think it's nice that you guys were able to come to a rational discussion after all that. But this was a case where you were better off not starting this thread.

Even though people have managed to be civil and rational to you doesn't mean they've come away with a very high opinion of you. You've done that to yourself. It's going to be tough for me to take just about anything you say seriously from now on, because I'm always going to think back and say this was the same guy who bought into Loose Change, so why should I care what he thinks about a free agency acquisition?

Reputation matters. Think before you post.

I agree with a lot of what you said. By posting my second post, I open myself up to abuse because I didn't take the time to research what I had just watched. That's understood.

Like I said before, I've been here for a while and really like it here, I just felt that making of the poster and mot the post in this instance may have been a little overboard. The fact that you, as a Moderator, called me a moron just kinda irked me. Like I said to SS, I agree that Mods DEF have the right to speak their minds, but they should also be aware that A LOT of people that visit this site look up to the mods as the standard. I just think that coming out and flat-out calling me a moron was a little much to lay on a guy who simply bought into something he saw for 30 minutes before he actually took the time to research it.

Again, there's no hard feelings towards anyone and I apologize for the crude statements I made.