Dallas Sartz Signs with Vikings

That's bad when the Giants are getting impact players in every round on their way to a Super Bowl and our 5th round pick doesn't even make the practice squad.

Don't know what/who you're calling "impact players?"
if you take a cursory glance at the history of 5th round picks in the nfl, you'll see that they are by no means a high probability of making the team.

If you can get starters in the 4th-7th rounds you're doing well IMO. Plus, the Skins did a great job last year of picking up undrafted free agents Heyer, Alexander & Chris Wilson, though he was playing in the cfl.

Recently, w/few draft picks the Skins have been able to land starters & contributors from the late rounds; Montgomery, Golston, Doughty, & Blades.

Don't know what/who you're calling "impact players?"
if you take a cursory glance at the history of 5th round picks in the nfl, you'll see that they are by no means a high probability of making the team.

If you can get starters in the 4th-7th rounds you're doing well IMO. Plus, the Skins did a great job last year of picking up undrafted free agents Heyer, Alexander & Chris Wilson, though he was playing in the cfl.

Recently, w/few draft picks the Skins have been able to land starters & contributors from the late rounds; Montgomery, Golston, Doughty, & Blades.

I pretty familiar with the history of the NFL draft... How many of the Giants picks in the 2007 draft do you think had a major impact in the playoffs and Super Bowl? How about 5th round and later?

RoundPick (Overall)PlayerPositionSchool
1 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/1.html)20 (20)Aaron Ross (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/1256.html)CB (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/cb.html)Texas (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/90.html)
2 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/2.html)19 (51)Steve Smith (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/19688.html)WR (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/wr.html)USC (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/370.html)
3 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/3.html)17 (81)Jay Alford (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/5472.html)DT (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/dt.html)Penn State (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/52.html)
4 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/4.html)17 (116)Zak DeOssie (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/7822.html)OLB (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/olb.html)Brown (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/122.html)
5 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/5.html)16 (153)Kevin Boss (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/29867.html)TE (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/te.html)Western Oregon (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/273.html)
6 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/6.html)15 (189)Adam Koets (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/2037.html)T (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/t.html)Oregon State (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/74.html)
7 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/7.html)14 (224)Michael Johnson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/43200.html)S (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/s.html)Arizona (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/368.html)
7 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/7.html)*40 (250)Ahmad Bradshaw (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/12456.html)RB (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/rb.html)Marshall (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/150.html)* - Compensatory pick

Sartz has signed with the Vikings.

Vikings signed Ellis Wyms as well, decent pickup.

I pretty familiar with the history of the NFL draft... How many of the Giants picks in the 2007 draft do you think had a major impact in the playoffs and Super Bowl? How about 5th round and later?

RoundPick (Overall)PlayerPositionSchool
1 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/1.html)20 (20)Aaron Ross (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/1256.html)CB (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/cb.html)Texas (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/90.html)
2 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/2.html)19 (51)Steve Smith (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/19688.html)WR (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/wr.html)USC (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/370.html)
3 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/3.html)17 (81)Jay Alford (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/5472.html)DT (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/dt.html)Penn State (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/52.html)
4 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/4.html)17 (116)Zak DeOssie (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/7822.html)OLB (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/olb.html)Brown (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/122.html)
5 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/5.html)16 (153)Kevin Boss (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/29867.html)TE (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/te.html)Western Oregon (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/273.html)
6 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/6.html)15 (189)Adam Koets (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/2037.html)T (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/t.html)Oregon State (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/74.html)
7 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/7.html)14 (224)Michael Johnson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/43200.html)S (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/s.html)Arizona (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/368.html)
7 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/7.html)*40 (250)Ahmad Bradshaw (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/12456.html)RB (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/rb.html)Marshall (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/150.html)* - Compensatory pick

Again, these guys are hardly "impact players" IMO. If you mean good "role players" then you've made a good point.

The point of my post isn't refuted by yours; you said previously that our 5th round pick "can't even make the team" as if that's indicative of poor scouting. My point in return is that a high no. of 5th round picks don't make teams, and that's on good & bad teams. For the few low round picks that contributed on the Giants squad, I'm sure there are some 5th & 6th round picks at home that didn't make the team.

On top of that, the NYG's 2006 late round picks (5th, 7th) are no longer on the team. Their late round 2005 pick (only had one pick after the 4th) is gone. From their 2004 draft, only their 1st and 2nd rounders are still here.

In that space we have hit on Blades, Montgomery & Golston. 2005 was horrible as we missed on a bunch of picks. In 2004 we missed on Molinaro and Wilson. And in 2006, we missed on our two 7th rounders.

NFL Draft History: Full Draft - by Team (http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=5110&type=team)

We have a had a bunch of good picks and some stinkers. Fortunately, we have hit on most of our 3rd and above. Much of our poor drafting, IMO, is a direct result of having not a whole lot of picks. Hopefully, that is changing.

On top of that, the NYG's 2006 late round picks (5th, 7th) are no longer on the team. Their late round 2005 pick (only had one pick after the 4th) is gone. From their 2004 draft, only their 1st and 2nd rounders are still here.

In that space we have hit on Blades, Montgomery & Golston. 2005 was horrible as we missed on a bunch of picks. In 2004 we missed on Molinaro and Wilson. And in 2006, we missed on our two 7th rounders.

NFL Draft History: Full Draft - by Team (http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=5110&type=team)

We have a had a bunch of good picks and some stinkers. Fortunately, we have hit on most of our 3rd and above. Much of our poor drafting, IMO, is a direct result of having not a whole lot of picks. Hopefully, that is changing.

i too agree with you, imagine the players we would have on our team if we didnt trade away all them picks. Them players are on some other team helping them win, with OUR picks that we traded....

i think we should just try a couple year NOT trading away any of our picks unless its for an ELITE player who is worth it (portis was)

We have traded picks for suspect players. Thats rediculous, I think if we see how the draft does for us for a couple years, if that doesnt work, hell.. go back to signingg FA vets and trading the picks away. But lets give it a try first,eh?

Sartz signed with Vikes. Link coming shortly. It was all over NFLN this morn.

Sartz has signed with the Vikings.

Vikings signed Ellis Wyms as well, decent pickup.

Oops. Guess I'm a tard then.

It's really no loss. I know a lot here thought the best of him when we signed him, but he's nothing special.

Yawn....