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SmootSmack 03-12-2008, 12:01 AM My post wasn't directed at you Smoot, or I would have replied to your post rather than just posting a comment about the news. My post was directed at those that thought I was male bashing, which you were not.
My "all too common" post was just as they said on the news tonight.. meaning people recently in poweful positions have often found themselves in these situstions over the last few years... Or I should say been caught in these situations. My orignial post was that I think this has become a problem among men in power, which led us down the rode of you all accusing me of male bashing, which I'm not doing. I'm saying it's sad that this had happened so often recently.
Ok, and my response would then be that this is no worse than it's ever been (not that that makes it ok). Although, I don't how many dropped over $80,000 on prostitutes.
Either way, can we just give this whole "male bashing" a rest now?
hesscl34 03-12-2008, 12:10 AM Ok, and my response would then be that this is no worse than it's ever been (not that that makes it ok). Although, I don't how many dropped over $80,000 on prostitutes.
Either way, can we just give this whole "male bashing" a rest now?
I'm all for giving the male bashing a rest, and I hope the rest of us are too! Please!
As for 80K? Wow.. what was it ? Migets? Elephants? Toys? .. I cannot imagine.
70Chip 03-12-2008, 01:24 AM Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Plus what makes you think he wasn't dashingly handsome in his younger days?
I think I'm safe in saying that it wasn't his looks that ensnared Mrs. Spitzer. I don't say that to be cruel. I admire the original acomplishment. It was no mean feat. He should have been grateful. It's like Billy Joel dumping whatserface. I mean, WTF?
70Chip 03-12-2008, 01:25 AM I'm all for giving the male bashing a rest, and I hope the rest of us are too! Please!
As for 80K? Wow.. what was it ? Migets? Elephants? Toys? .. I cannot imagine.
They prefer to be called little people.
saden1 03-12-2008, 02:03 AM I think I'm safe in saying that it wasn't his looks that ensnared Mrs. Spitzer. I don't say that to be cruel. I admire the original acomplishment. It was no mean feat. He should have been grateful. It's like Billy Joel dumping whatserface. I mean, WTF?
Come on, the dude is not that ugly. You make him sound like he's frighteningly hideous.
Hijinx 03-12-2008, 04:43 AM And you took offense to me saying that you'd have reacted differently if this was a Republican?
Absolutely, because I don't think this "crime" is a big deal, like I didn't think Craig's "crime" was a big deal, like I didn't think McGreevey's affair was a crime. These are all morality issues. Its a case of a "righteous" few imposing their beliefs on others.(see prohibition) You assumed I thought this wasn't a big deal because of his party, but I wasn't even sure of the guy's party when I had all ready made up my mind that the media reaction would outweigh the "crime".
If some senator from a flyover state that I never heard of got caught with a small amount of pot, I wouldn't think much of it. I would make that decision without having to find out the senator's party affiliation. I am sure the media would do non stop coverage of it and the other party would call for the guy's head, but I wouldn't think it was a big deal.
If Spitzer had killed a guy, stole money from the government, or ran a dog fighting operation, I would say he should get every bit the punishment that anyone else would get. More in fact so that others would learn.
Had this been you or me chances are no one would have ever found out, this is a minor crime at most. Moreover law enforcement generally goes after the supply side of this "crime", much like drug enforcement.
BleedBurgundy 03-12-2008, 07:43 AM To me, this is a non-issue. I just don't see what the big deal is. Now his wife may have an entirely different perspective, but I don't think the public has any cause for concern about his abilityto perform the duties of his office because he paid for sex with a high priced hooker. Again, like others have said... if this guy wasn't a politician, no one ever hears of this. He's probably not even charged. I'm a lot more concerned with the actions of politicians while they're carrying out the responsibilities of their office as opposed to basically "scratching an itch" on their own time. What a waste of everyone's time...
djnemo65 03-12-2008, 09:21 AM I think I'm safe in saying that it wasn't his looks that ensnared Mrs. Spitzer. I don't say that to be cruel. I admire the original acomplishment. It was no mean feat. He should have been grateful. It's like Billy Joel dumping whatserface. I mean, WTF?
Yeah but his wife was his classmate at Harvard Law. Maybe he was the better student, but I think we need to give the Spitz some credit for having a little game on this one. It wasn't like he married his secretary.
Monkeydad 03-12-2008, 09:57 AM I am sure it is just the opposite on the Fox "news". Besides the real reason for the press to mention over and over again that a republican got caught with his pants down, when it happens, is that every year the GOP runs on a platform of "family values".
So you're admitting we shouldn't expect much morality from Democrats, so when they do things like this, we should chalk it up to expected behavior? :D
I guess that's how Clinton survived all of his lies, crimes and infidelities and is even getting a second chance through his wife...he already had a track record of it when we elected him the FIRST time, so we just said "that's Bill being Bill."
firstdown 03-12-2008, 10:03 AM Absolutely, because I don't think this "crime" is a big deal, like I didn't think Craig's "crime" was a big deal, like I didn't think McGreevey's affair was a crime. These are all morality issues. Its a case of a "righteous" few imposing their beliefs on others.(see prohibition) You assumed I thought this wasn't a big deal because of his party, but I wasn't even sure of the guy's party when I had all ready made up my mind that the media reaction would outweigh the "crime".
If some senator from a flyover state that I never heard of got caught with a small amount of pot, I wouldn't think much of it. I would make that decision without having to find out the senator's party affiliation. I am sure the media would do non stop coverage of it and the other party would call for the guy's head, but I wouldn't think it was a big deal.
If Spitzer had killed a guy, stole money from the government, or ran a dog fighting operation, I would say he should get every bit the punishment that anyone else would get. More in fact so that others would learn.
Had this been you or me chances are no one would have ever found out, this is a minor crime at most. Moreover law enforcement generally goes after the supply side of this "crime", much like drug enforcement.
What you don't understand is no matter what your personal views of weather this should be illegal it is illegal in todays world. What he has done is compromised his job and left himself open to black male because of what he did. What if those ladies came back and said we want you to do XYZ or we will go to the press and expose you. Then we now have a person compromising his position and trust of the American people because of what he did. Maybe when he was a prosecuter the only reason he was tough on prostitution was to run the other postitution rings out of business making the one he used more profitable and in return they would make sure his name was protected. Remember the only way he was caught was because of what he was doing with his checking accounts. If he was just some Joe off the street then he would not be in this postion to start with.
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