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Redskins247 03-23-2008, 09:35 PM Ok, so after I saw Jason Elam is NOW with the Falcons and won't finish his career with the team that he won so many games for so many years...not to mention Vinatieri leaving New England...I just can't believe teams have no loyalty to this often over-looked crucial position. I know it's just business, and every team has to make the decisions based on what's best for the team in the long run....but after seeing the loyalty to Brett Favre in Green Bay, basically saying he'd be the QB there until he was ready to leave...it saddens me to think back when players like Montana and Rice had to finish their careers in other places.
If you were the GM or owner, would you have given the $$$ to Elam, Vinatieri, or even Mosley for that matter??
GTripp0012 03-23-2008, 09:40 PM Ok, so after I saw Jason Elam is NOW with the Falcons and won't finish his career with the team that he won so many games for so many years...not to mention Vinatieri leaving New England...I just can't believe teams have no loyalty to this often over-looked crucial position. I know it's just business, and every team has to make the decisions based on what's best for the team in the long run....but after seeing the loyalty to Brett Favre in Green Bay, basically saying he'd be the QB there until he was ready to leave...it saddens me to think back when players like Montana and Rice had to finish their careers in other places.
If you were the GM or owner, would you have given the $$$ to Elam, Vinatieri, or even Mosley for that matter??Definately not. Once a kicker hits his thirties, his leg strength starts decreasing and he becomes a player who can be easily and cheaply replaced and improved on.
Plus, if the player was in to 'loyalty' he would sign for the vet minimum and compete for his job. Elam did the right thing by taking the money elsewhere.
Redskins8588 03-23-2008, 09:43 PM Kickers are clutch for teams to have but I do not think that they can be quantified with the likes of Montana, Rice, and so many other greats that left their original team. Elam and Vinatieri did win games for their original teams no doubt, but at the end of the day they are still just kickers and in no way do they need to held in the same light as franchise QB's and great WR's. I mean where was this thread when Warren Sapp retired? Or when key offensive linemen switch teams? Kickers come and go, some are better than others but they can be replaced...
dmek25 03-23-2008, 11:12 PM this is why the NBA is the best, when it comes to the salary cap. they have the Larry Bird rule. when you can sign a vet at max money, and only a portion counts against the cap. trying to encourage stars to finish their careers where they started it
djnemo65 03-23-2008, 11:55 PM I don't think loyalty should a factor, but do I think teams continue to underestimate the ease with which they can replace reliable kickers. For such an unheralded position it can be the difference between defeat and dynasty, as the Patriots show.
We saw in the Superbowl the Patriots pass on a field goal opportunity on fourth and long, in a game they ended up losing by 3 points. You have to think they would have been more keen to attempt it if they still had Vinatieri back there.
lwiedy 03-24-2008, 12:55 AM this is why the NBA is the best, when it comes to the salary cap. they have the Larry Bird rule. when you can sign a vet at max money, and only a portion counts against the cap. trying to encourage stars to finish their careers where they started it
The New York Knicks didn’t get $82 million over the salary cap in 2006-07 with “Larry Bird exceptions”. The NBA cap is a joke, they say there is a cap but what is the penalty for exceeding it, luxury tax. So there is no cap, just a suggestion and a fee.
dmek25 03-24-2008, 07:36 AM all i was talking about was the veteran exception rule. that would be nice to have in the nfl. because we will probably never see another Darrell Green, or Brett Favre again. the player that stays with his original team for his whole career. seeing Art Monk in an ugly ass jets uniform is not how i want to remember him
riggins44 03-24-2008, 08:19 AM The NFL needs a veteran exception rule, to encourage home grown players.
In regard to kickers, it is hard to justify big bucks for an aging guy. You can a good young kicker for a lot less. The money you save could be spent elsewhere. It's rare to find a kicker worth major dollars.
I'm curious to see how Elam does in Atlanta. He will have the advantage of playing in a dome, but not the thinner air of Denver.
hagams 03-24-2008, 08:25 AM Atlanta needs all the help they can get. I don't see them riding his leg to a winning season, so I wouldn't have paid the big bucks to either keep him, or sign him. But, good for him for getting paid.
celts32 03-24-2008, 09:46 AM this is why the NBA is the best, when it comes to the salary cap. they have the Larry Bird rule. when you can sign a vet at max money, and only a portion counts against the cap. trying to encourage stars to finish their careers where they started it
On the flip side the NBA cap also cripples teams by saddling them with contracts they can never get out from under threby creating a system in which 75% of the teams can be eliminated from contention on opening day.
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