If Zorn Wins..........

I wholeheartedly agree with Gmanc. Gibbs was a tad bit too conservative in his playcalling, but he was the glue that kept the team together after it struggled in 2004 and 2006 and had to deal with Sean Taylor's death and a rash of injuries in 2007.

Given our lack of offseason movement, I would say Gibbs definitely built this house. What Zorn does with it is up to him.

I wholeheartedly agree with Gmanc. Gibbs was a tad bit too conservative in his playcalling, but he was the glue that kept the team together after it struggled in 2004 and 2006 and had to deal with Sean Taylor's death and a rash of injuries in 2007.

Given our lack of offseason movement, I would say Gibbs definitely built this house. What Zorn does with it is up to him.

It should be noted that in 2005 and 2007, both years when we made the playoffs...we were pretty much left for dead, which shows how Gibbs could rally a team and keep them together after they were basically left for dead....

In both cases, he carries some of the blame for getting to that point in both seasons, but nevertheless thats what I really admired Gibbs for.

It should be noted that in 2005 and 2007, both years when we made the playoffs...we were pretty much left for dead, which shows how Gibbs could rally a team and keep them together after they were basically left for dead....

In both cases, he carries some of the blame for getting to that point in both seasons, but nevertheless thats what I really admired Gibbs for.

But don't forget in both those seasons he had bone head moves that cost us games..Also 1-2 in the playoffs don't count for success..

this was gibbs team, of course he gets some credit what kind of question is that?

dumb thread IMO.

no offense

From a personnel standpoint, these are still Gibbs' guys, so if we win in the next three years, he should get a portion of the credit. Not as a coach though, just as the guy who built this current roster.

I agree, that he should get the credit of building the roster and the coaching staff.

On the opposite end, as a game day coach, I don’t think he intentionally played the offense conservatively. I think it was more the players not playing up to their ability. He expected perfection in every play, so when we took the few shots down field it would count. His team would rarely put together a consistent game. We only have a few games where the offense played a complete game all 4 quarters. The SF blow out, the Dallas game in Washington in 2005 to name the few. When they won those games I saw him open the offense up more the following game. Unfortunately they would take a step backward and Gibbs would rein them back in with his conservative play calling. This offense had to be incredibly frustrating for Gibbs to be so close but just can’t seem to get them to take that last step to consistency.

On the field, I think he was kinda holding the team back by not using the players the way they are supposed to be used. Off the field I think he did more for the current Redskin players and staff than anyone ever has. It's almos like Dan brought him in to get the teams mind, and spirits right. Joe has that ability to calm you down, and have you focus on what's important. I'm sure more of the players miss Joe because of the impact he made off the field, as well as on it.

Joe definitely will deserve some credit for building this current roster.

If we are successful this year, not only do I think Joe Gibbs will deserve credit for building the team, he will also deserve credit for putting together the coaching staff and for instilling a new spirit and a new attitude in this team. This team, the players and the coaches, is still mostly the team that Gibbs put together and he should get at least some of the credit for any success that Coach Zorn has this year.

Beyond that, however, I really believe that Gibbs' lasting impact has been to change the attitudes and mindset of the organization. At the end of the Spurrier era, the Redskins were an organization that I no longer recognized. The team and the organization seemed to be headed in the direction of the Cardinals and the Lions as perennial losers. Gibbs turned that around. Without Gibbs, I don't think we'd even be the position to hope that a new, first time coach could lead us to success. For leaving the Redskins in a position for us to even be thinking about success next year, Joe Gibbs deserves credit.

I for one believe that Gibbs was holding them back. I believe that he was scared to take chances and always playing not to lose. With Zorn I really believe that we will open up a lot more and take advantage of our talent that we have on the team. Zorn, being from the Holmgren tree, will be what we need on this team. Zorn will win!!! Draft Albert if he is available!!

I agree, Gibbs held this team back and played not to lose. I hope Zorn lets them play. If people think Gibbs should get any credit for whatever success Zorn might achieve then he has to get blame if the team loses. Gibbs did build this roster but lets face it, there are a lot of holes in this roster so Zorn has his work cut out for him. Are people really that desperate for Gibbs 2.0 to have some kind of successful conclusion that they have to create an imaginary tie to any success Zorn might have?

Bottom line is Gibbs is gone. If this teams wins its on Zorn, if they lose its on Zorn.

I agree, Gibbs held this team back and played not to lose. I hope Zorn lets them play. If people think Gibbs should get any credit for whatever success Zorn might achieve then he has to get blame if the team loses. Gibbs did build this roster but lets face it, there are a lot of holes in this roster so Zorn has his work cut out for him. Are people really that desperate for Gibbs 2.0 to have some kind of successful conclusion that they have to create an imaginary tie to any success Zorn might have?

Bottom line is Gibbs is gone. If this teams wins its on Zorn, if they lose its on Zorn.

What imaginary tie? Remember, as you even point out, Gibbs was also President of the team setting the ulimate roster for years to come.