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70Chip 05-26-2008, 12:23 AM Bobby Jindal certainly would be an exciting choice for those of my ilk. But once I get past that, I simply don't agree with him on many issues. It could be a good choice for McCain though if he wants to win
Your ilk is an interesting position to not only save the Conservative movement in this country, but perhaps mankind itself. They are a natural bridge. And, who else could have gotten the British to just walk away for no apparent reason. That commands a man's respect as oppose to say the Palestinians, who have no sense whatsoever.
What issues do you disagree with JIndal on? Do you think that Louisiana was better off corrupt? I suppose it's the abortion/gay business.
SmootSmack 05-26-2008, 12:44 AM Your ilk is an interesting position to not only save the Conservative movement in this country, but perhaps mankind itself. They are a natural bridge. And, who else could have gotten the British to just walk away for no apparent reason. That commands a man's respect as oppose to say the Palestinians, who have no sense whatsoever.
What issues do you disagree with JIndal on? Do you think that Louisiana was better off corrupt? I suppose it's the abortion/gay business.
yeah well you don't eff with Gandhi
Various issues, will expand on them if he's chosen as a running mate
saden1 05-26-2008, 01:21 AM Hillary is done as far as VP is concerned. She has said so many f'ed up things that it would be counter to Obama's message to have her as his VP. I would definitely keep Hillary at a distance and take my chances, she's f'ing crazy and Bill in the white house would be an unruly scene.
Colin Powell would be an interesting pick but I don't know how the America people would feel about two black men on the same ticket. Plus Powell's stock as fallen mightily since he gave that speech at the UN. I suspect the poor bastard was duped but then again he did do some serious dirty fork for the Bush administration. I wouldn't mind seeing him as the secretary of Defense and a shot at redeeming himself by overseeing the withdrawal from Iraq.
Who would I like to see as VP? I really would like to see Jim Webb. The dude is no bullshitter and has mad creds. He would bring VA home too.
As for the women vote, tell them what will happen with the Supreme Court if McCain wins and they'll line up. Sure he'll lose some of the Hillary crazy die-hard fans but the majority will support him.
Jindal is a nut job in terms of his beliefs but I'm sure glad to finally see some color in the GOP. I doubt he will be picked as VP because it would negate the whole experience attack flight pattern McCain has been using against Obama. If he picks Jindal McCain would simply look foolish to attack Obama when he has someone 10 years Obama's junior as his VP ("if your VP is ready at 37 I'm ready at 47").
Naturally I want McCain to pick Lieberman but alas he is not that dumb. Right now, there's no quicker way to unite the democratic party than to have Joe "Darth Sidious" Lieberman as McCain's running mate.
I suspect McCain will pick Romney to help him bring home Utah and Colorado.
saden1 05-26-2008, 01:24 AM Your ilk is an interesting position to not only save the Conservative movement in this country, but perhaps mankind itself. They are a natural bridge. And, who else could have gotten the British to just walk away for no apparent reason. That commands a man's respect as oppose to say the Palestinians, who have no sense whatsoever.
What issues do you disagree with JIndal on? Do you think that Louisiana was better off corrupt? I suppose it's the abortion/gay business.
Come on, you're smarter than that. Don't do my man Gandhi and the people who made so many sacrifices like that.
70Chip 05-26-2008, 01:55 AM Come on, you're smarter than that. Don't do my man Gandhi and the people who made so many sacrifices like that.
I think you misunderstand me. I have enormous respect for Ghandi and what he did. My point is that the Indians, et al are in a unique position geo-politically. They understand Western Values, Eastern Values, and are economically viable. We and the Chinese will be struggling to be their best friend for some time to come. They are the diplomatic hinge of the next 20 years, IMO.
Perhaps the phrase "no apparent reason" was overstated. Ghandi gave them good reasons to leave but they were enlightened compared to what happened with, say, the French in Vietnam. He more or less talked them into leaving. If Arafat were half the man Ghandi was, the Israelis would never have been able to maintain their presence in the West Bank all these years. Likewise if Ghandi had been a corrupt, venal, thug given over to violence, the English would have stayed out of spite, probably another ten years at least. v
SmootSmack 05-26-2008, 02:16 AM Hillary is done as far as VP is concerned. She has said so many f'ed up things that it would be counter to Obama's message to have her as his VP. I would definitely keep Hillary at a distance and take my chances, she's f'ing crazy and Bill in the white house would be an unruly scene.
Colin Powell would be an interesting pick but I don't know how the America people would feel about two black men on the same ticket. Plus Powell's stock as fallen mightily since he gave that speech at the UN. I suspect the poor bastard was duped but then again he did do some serious dirty fork for the Bush administration. I wouldn't mind seeing him as the secretary of Defense and a shot at redeeming himself by overseeing the withdrawal from Iraq.
Who would I like to see as VP? I really would like to see Jim Webb. The dude is no bullshitter and has mad creds. He would bring VA home too.
As for the women vote, tell them what will happen with the Supreme Court if McCain wins and they'll line up. Sure he'll lose some of the Hillary crazy die-hard fans but the majority will support him.
Jindal is a nut job in terms of his beliefs but I'm sure glad to finally see some color in the GOP. I doubt he will be picked as VP because it would negate the whole experience attack flight pattern McCain has been using against Obama. If he picks Jindal McCain would simply look foolish to attack Obama when he has someone 10 years Obama's junior as his VP ("if your VP is ready at 37 I'm ready at 47").
Naturally I want McCain to pick Lieberman but alas he is not that dumb. Right now, there's no quicker way to unite the democratic party than to have Joe "Darth Sidious" Lieberman as McCain's running mate.
I suspect McCain will pick Romney to help him bring home Utah and Colorado.
Romney has deep, deep pockets too which won't hurt
Do you think McCain would lean toward picking a VP who will pull in certain voters but basically have nothing substantial to do as part of the administration (a la Quayle) or one with significant imput (Cheney)? Same with Obama.
Tim Pawlenty is another name that has been mentioned a lot.
saden1 05-26-2008, 02:19 PM Romney has deep, deep pockets too which won't hurt
Do you think McCain would lean toward picking a VP who will pull in certain voters but basically have nothing substantial to do as part of the administration (a la Quayle) or one with significant imput (Cheney)? Same with Obama.
Tim Pawlenty is another name that has been mentioned a lot.
In an ideal world you should pick someone who is on the same page as you, a "yes" man who knows when to say "no" and "you're wrong," but with billion dollar elections at stake it's all about winning. It's all about who can help you win more states. Of course you don't want to end up like that idiot John Kerry who picked Edwards even though he didn't want to pick him and then come out after he loses the election and whine about it. I lost all respect for John Kerry after that bitch ass move.
Tim Pawlenty is 48 and has less experience than Obama, so unless the experience pellets are going to be shelved I don't see it. Plus Minnesota is blue country so I don't think he can bring home Minnesota and he has as much national recognition as the turkey I had last thanksgiving.
4mrusmc 05-26-2008, 04:33 PM On a slightly different topic, could someone tell me what is Obama's position on (slavery) reparations is? I think that if it is what I think it is, it would doom his presidential hopes. That is a question I would love to hear him answer in a debate.
Regardless of who is running for prez, this is going to get ugly and nasty.
70Chip 05-26-2008, 04:43 PM On a slightly different topic, could someone tell me what is Obama's position on (slavery) reparations is? I think that if it is what I think it is, it would doom his presidential hopes. That is a question I would love to hear him answer in a debate.
Regardless of who is running for prez, this is going to get ugly and nasty.
Yeah, I'm not touching this one. I'm sure you've all seen the Chapelle Show's take.
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4mrusmc 05-26-2008, 05:10 PM Yeah, I'm not touching this one. I'm sure you've all seen the Chapelle Show's take.
http://re3.yt-thm-a04.yimg.com/image/25/f11/29881750 (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTefbCEjtIJ1cA3FSJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTByYzd0YjJ oBHBvcwMxNgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANJMDg1XzEwNw--/SIG=1hbvd2g87/EXP=1211917378/**http%3A//images.search.yahoo.com/images/view%3Fback=http%253A%252F%252Fimages.search.yahoo .com%252Fsearch%252Fimages%253Fei%253Dutf-8%2526fr%253Dsfp%2526p%253DAshy%252BLarry%2526iscq ry%253D%26w=420%26h=317%26imgurl=static.flickr.com %252F63%252F209284544_cdd8ca2e5a.jpg%26rurl=http%2 53A%252F%252Fwww.flickr.com%252Fphotos%252Fweloved onny%252F209284544%252F%26size=48.2kB%26name=ashyl arry7zw%26p=Ashy%20Larry%26type=JPG%26oid=6a2d5a5c e192587e%26fusr=welovedonny%26tit=ashylarry7zw%26h url=http%3A//www.flickr.com/photos/welovedonny/%26no=16&tt=84)
I just did a Google search, trying to stay away from the far right sites so that I could get an objective answer. And, all I found was a whole lot of nothing concrete.
But, no I haven't seen Chapelle's take, and would that necessarily give any insight to Obama's stance. That is unless he (Chapelle) has any inside knowledge about what Obama's real stance is.
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