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That Guy 08-22-2004, 07:32 AM champ is good, every corner gets beat a bunch, especially when the d-line stinks (hmm...), and they needed a corner (champ is way better than whoever they had), and they still have some decent RBs there, both teams ended up fine (i believe), but i'd take portis for my team any day.
Daseal 08-22-2004, 09:24 AM and one of the best cover backs in the NFL. But that is NOT the way he played throughout last year
If a QB has THAT long to throw the ball, he'll find someone open, and it might be Champ's guy. Champ was a great player and helped our defense, however with Springs and Taylor back there we won't miss him. Let's go portis!
oldswill 08-22-2004, 01:24 PM o.k., off the topic for one second. how do I get the cool pics below the member name on the posts?
Champ will help the broncs alot but portis will help are team alot more. ya see, i think every body is comparing apples to oranges. if we traded champ for another corner then we can compare the two players. in this case all we can do is talk about which team will benifit more from that particular player. considering the skin's situation, portis will help us win more games than champ will help the broncs win.
itvnetop 08-22-2004, 01:55 PM o.k., off the topic for one second. how do I get the cool pics below the member name on the posts?
you've gotta earn your stripes bud (ie, post alot!)
That Guy 08-22-2004, 02:03 PM you post a lot to get the nifty pics... and you're saying what i've said before ;) the teams were dealing strengths to fix different weaknesses.
Big C 08-22-2004, 02:40 PM i didnt get to see the game, how did matt bowen play? hes played bad the first 2
offiss 08-22-2004, 03:01 PM It has gotten very popular to call him a shutdown corner, and one of the best cover backs in the NFL. But that is NOT the way he played throughout last year. Was beaten for very many passes. He is greatly overrated. Denver got a MAJOR screwing in this deal. And, as I have been saying since the deal was announced, it will be a LAUGHER by mid-season. (Except in Denver, where they will be crying at the loss of Portis)
I obviously agree about Champ, But I think both Denver, and ourselves are probably sitting in the same type of scenerio, we are able to plug a CB like Spring's into the CB position, which should give us a minimal drop off if any at Champ's position, and give us a better RB in Portis than we had, same goes for Denver, they will plug in another RB and have very little drop off at Portis's spot, and they get a CB in Champ who is better than any one they had, the difference maker in this deal IMO, is the #2 pick we gave up.
SmootSmack 08-22-2004, 03:09 PM i didnt get to see the game, how did matt bowen play? hes played bad the first 2
I honestly didn't notice anything that stood out with Bowen. Which I guess is a good sign
Daseal 08-22-2004, 03:14 PM Bowen had one big hit. Otherwise he was always a step behind.
MonkManiac 08-22-2004, 03:18 PM I was watching for Bowen, and I thought he looked good at stopping the run; he came in to stuff the hole on at least two occasions that I can remember, and was in on several other tackles as well. As for pass defense, which I've always thought was his weakness, Miami's passing game was so pathetic that they really didn't challenge the secondary much, though they did get a couple over the middle on us, which would presumably be Bowen's area.
Actually, Sportscenter's highlights of the game showed/mocked a play Bowen made against the run in the 1st quarter. While attempting to show how dominant the Skins were against the run, they showed a play where Bowen came up over the top of the pile and flipped all the way over. The quote on Sportscenter was "There goes Matt Bowen, flipping over the pile for no reason at all." Pretty funny.
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