I believe Zorn belongs

spurrier had no quarterback zorn has 2. collins is a cool sucker thank god we kept him in case jason gets hurt or sucks.Here comes our dynasty and its about freaking time.the team that joe built is going to impress.REMEMBER POUNDING THE GIANTS AT HOME LAST YEAR.REMEMBER POUNDING DALLAS AT THE END OF LAST YEAR.OUR TEAM REMEMBERS!!

HAIL!!

I feel pretty good about Zorn & the team too, but to me 8-8 would be a successful 1st year for him in all fairness. It's the toughest division top to bottom, he's new, the system's new, GW's gone, etc. I think it's reasonable to feel really good about zorn while not predicting much beyond a mediocre team.

I don't know how much can be gained by comparing him to spurrier. The biggest difference is that zorn has coached for years in the nfl, just not been a head coach or OC. Spurrier's problems amounted to mgmt., he simply didn't have control & respect.

Looking back of course there were red flags w/the ole ball coach, but tell me you weren't excited when he won early? Or when we opened his 2nd year at 3-1 after beating the Pats?

At a couple points in time he had the team looking up, then as the 03 season went on they just tanked & almost seemed to give up. That can & does happen to nfl coaches w/experience too. It's entirely possible that it could happen to Zorn. I don't see that happening any time soon because the team's direction and overall stability has improved exponentially after Gibbs II, this is a much different organization than it was 5 years ago.

This team is different then thoughs of years past. We don't have Danny Wuerfull or Jeff George as our quarterbacks.

True, instead we have a young qb that hasn't proven anything at all. (granted he has potential but that's what people thought of Danny Wuerffel being a "system" qb). Jeff George was the vet like Collins is. Not all dissimilar.

We don't have Rod Gardner or Michael Westbrook as our recievers.
No, but we do have an extremely underachieving Santana Moss (or he was an overachiever in the past showing his true colors now), and Randle El who is getting paid like a #1 performing like #3. Again, not all that dissimilar.

We don't have a former Cowboy offensive coordinator as our head coach.

Nope, instead, we have an OC that has no OC experience.

We don't have a college system in place at the NFL Level.

No, instead we have a guy running the show that has never done anything more than be a QB coach at the NFL level. Spurrier was supposed to be a QB Genius, Zorn is a QB guru. Again, not all dissimilar.

Its different dude. It took a Hall of Fame head coach to make it different too!

Of course it's different, it's many years later, but it's similar in the way that we (the fans) are approaching this season. Unrelenting optimism.
Don't get me wrong...I am there too saying all the right things, because I am hoping they all come true. I am not trying to be a "debbie downer" either, but I was admittedly a HUGE...MASSIVE Spurrier fan...that is until he actually started the season. Then I figured "he'd get it", and of course he didn't. I stayed on that bandwagon until the wheels fell off and it caught on fire, and ultimately blew up into a million pieces. That being said, I am on the Zorn bandwagon, but I am not steering the wagon at all.
I like our team, but I am not thinking we are a lock for anything. I've heard players talk about "they love the system", or "we are looking good this year" only to come out and suck. We are exactly 1 preseason game into the Zorn tenure people. I love the optimism, I really do, that's what makes us Redskins fans all alike, but can we please wait until we see Zorn when it matters before we give him the key to the city?

I liked Spurrier too, but from the beginning I could tell he didn't have what it takes to win in the NFL. His lines about not burning the midnight oil, his decisions about adding guys who had disappointed in the pros, but played for him at Florida. There is a much different feel from Zorn.

For as much as I point out Spurrier vs Zorn, there is a huge, glaring difference with the two. Spurrier wanted to be a trailblazer and he didn't even try to reinvent the wheel, he tried to create something that would replace the wheel. Meanwhile, Zorn is trying to maximize what works in the NFL while putting his own spice on it. Spurrier was arrogant, while Zorn is an avid observer. So while there are other similarities between the two, I do not feel they are even remotely the same, and I feel Zorn has a lot more potential to succeed. (not saying you are saying that jdlea, just using your post as a spring board to my points, completely unrelated, in all I agree with you).

For as much as I point out Spurrier vs Zorn, there is a huge, glaring difference with the two. Spurrier wanted to be a trailblazer and he didn't even try to reinvent the wheel, he tried to create something that would replace the wheel. Meanwhile, Zorn is trying to maximize what works in the NFL while putting his own spice on it. Spurrier was arrogant, while Zorn is an avid observer. So while there are other similarities between the two, I do not feel they are even remotely the same, and I feel Zorn has a lot more potential to succeed. (not saying you are saying that jdlea, just using your post as a spring board to my points, completely unrelated, in all I agree with you).

Actually, that's pretty much what I was trying to say. Zorn isn't coming here saying, "I'm going to set the world on fire." I think he probably has some pretty reasonable goals for this season.

Look, I'm not predicting playoffs. (although I wouldn't be shocked, in the NFL difference between 6-10 and 10-6 is no longer that drastic) I'm merely saying that I'm optimistic for the future of this team for the first time in a long time. We have a QB with potential and a coach with potential and that's what has me excited. They could become special and it could be sustained, not short runs and then a need to rebuild the whole team and coaching staff.

All things considered, what TO THIS POINT could Zorn have done that he has not? As far as I am concerned, TO THIS POINT, I could not ask for more. He has done it all.
Vinny and the Dan brought it home!

True, instead we have a young qb that hasn't proven anything at all. (granted he has potential but that's what people thought of Danny Wuerffel being a "system" qb). Jeff George was the vet like Collins is. Not all dissimilar.
This is the probably the first and last time George and Collins are used in the same sentence. Collins is the consummate pro and team player, George-not so much

No, but we do have an extremely underachieving Santana Moss (or he was an overachiever in the past showing his true colors now), and Randle El who is getting paid like a #1 performing like #3. Again, not all that dissimilar.
I think 32 of 32 teams would consider Moss and Randel-El an upgrade over 50-50- Gardner and Westbroke


Nope, instead, we have an OC that has no OC experience.

No, instead we have a guy running the show that has never done anything more than be a QB coach at the NFL level. Spurrier was supposed to be a QB Genius, Zorn is a QB guru. Again, not all dissimilar.
The big thing you're missing is the Holmgren tree. Spurrier was a self made and appointed genius. Zorn has come from a strong lineage of successful coaches that followed a similar path. If you heard Cerrato on Sirius NFL Radio this week, he said that Zorn's practices are identical to the practices that he saw Bill Walsh run in SF. Following a proven method of success can compensate for lack of 'experience'


There are naysayers and justifiably so until Zorn proves his worth, but those same naysayers universally overlook 3 important points:
1. Zorn inherits a playoff team that is largely unchanged in roster and coaching staff/philosphy. I'm on record saying that Gregg Williams will not be missed! With the addition of Taylor, improvement of Landry and health of Rogers, McIntosh and Springs, we will be just fine.

2. For all the talk of us playing in the toughest division in football, we are not St. Mary's Sisters of the Poor. Last year we had 2nd half leads in ALL 6 NFC East games (and blew half of them). To further make the point, with the exception of the game in Dallas where we trailed by one at the start of the 4th quarter, we had 4th quarter in every division game.

3. We had 2nd half leads in 12 of 16 games last year and were only truly out of 1 game, New England. We have the talent to play with anybody on any given Sunday.

Far be it for me to say 'have no doubts about this season' but from where I sit, there is more to be excited about than to be concerned with.

2. For all the talk of us playing in the toughest division in football, we are not St. Mary's Sisters of the Poor. Last year we had 2nd half leads in ALL 6 NFC East games (and blew half of them). To further make the point, with the exception of the game in Dallas where we trailed by one at the start of the 4th quarter, we had 4th quarter in every division game.

3. We had 2nd half leads in 12 of 16 games last year and were only truly out of 1 game, New England. We have the talent to play with anybody on any given Sunday.



PLEASE!!!!!!!!! don't ever let me see a PREEVENT..anything.....ever ......again........

I will not lie, I have a huge man crush on Jim Zorn.

Looks like a "Bro-mamnce" is brewing.
Must say I like what I see and hear so far. Cautiously optimistic.

Why don't we just try and forget that Spurrier ever coached here.