The Ramsey Dilemma

Try the likes of Joe Washington, Ricky Ervins, Kelvin Bryant and even Byner who wasn't exactly a true power back.

Gibbs knows RB's, he didn't win 3 SB's with luck, he knows how to plug guys into his system. If he wanted a plowhorse, don't you think he would have went out and got one?? Today's game is all about speed, much more so than in his first go-round. You've been sippin the ignorant media kool-aid that would like you to believe that Gibbs system needs a power back. That's a huge misconception. The backs I named above were all very successful in this offense and Portis will be no exception.

Im just going off the most successful backs of the Gibbs era

I'll be very interested to see how Portis performs..you have your take on CP and I have mine

This aint the AFC West

I think Ramsey has just learned all the wrong things under Steven Spurrier. Thats not to say that steve didnt do some good for Ramsey, cause I'm sure he did. He, however also messed him up alot I think. Ramsey needs to defintley sit unless theres an injury this season, and pick up the offense. He's just plain not ready, which really is dissapointing to me, cause I really wanted him to lead this team.

Next season, I think we will see a different Ramsey, but right now, hes just not doing as well as he is capable, obviously. I think it all has to do with learning the system.

True this isn't the AFC West, so let's look at some games outside of the AFC West to see how Portis has done. These are all of the games outside of the West that he has started in his career.


2003
Cincinnati: 24-120
Pittsburgh: 15-47
Minnesota: 25-117
Baltimore: 22-86
New England: 26-111
Chicago: 14-165
Cleveland: 38-139

2002
Miami: 18-75
New England: 26-111
Seattle: 23-136
Indy: 18-88
NY: 24-103
Arizona: 24-228

Seems like he's done ok.

Nice job Matty! The facts don't lie.

It's cliche but it's true-it all starts in the trenches. Doesn't matter if it's been Riggins, Bryant, Griffin, Riggs, Byner, Washington. Or Theismann, Schroeder, Rypien Williams.

It's all about the offensive line. That's what won us 3 Super Bowls under Gibbs. It was the offensive line that opened up massive lanes for Timmy Smith. It was the offensive line that allowed diminutive Jamie Morris set the record for most carries in a single game (45) without getting killed

Yeah Alex Gibbs was a great offensive line coach for Portis, but Buges ain't no slouch

Yeah Alex Gibbs was a great offensive line coach for Portis, but Buges ain't no slouch

Yeah, and unlike ALEX Gibbs, Buges doesn't rely on dirty blocking techniques, just solid football knowledge.

Now, I understand Bailey would have gotten Portis money and them some, but what would you rather have --Bailey/Jackson/Collins or Portis/Springs/Brunnel?




Personally, Portis, Springs and Brunell

im pretty sure that most people, who werent biased against the redskins would take portis springs and brunell...portis is an MVP candidate, who of the others is?

Jackson did look good out there, reminded me of a Ricky Williams type who can put his shoulder down, i'm gonna be watching him.

Gibbs wins with what he has, but also has a knack for knowing exactly what he needs. as unpopular as it was to get Brunell, who would have thought we really did need such a veteran QB to run this offense?

Gibbs wanted offensive versatility and NFL experience. he wanted Portis.

Now, I understand Bailey would have gotten Portis money and them some, but what would you rather have --Bailey/Jackson/Collins or Portis/Springs/Brunnel?

i really rather have portis/springs/brunell... jackson is an unknown, and plugging him into one of the most important positions in a team that wants to win right away is well... not the best idea in the world.

and while you aren't so hot on ramsey, wait until clubs start game planning specifically against henson and the dallas offense and see how well he does then... pre-season games are really pretty meaningless.

True this isn't the AFC West, so let's look at some games outside of the AFC West to see how Portis has done. These are all of the games outside of the West that he has started in his career.


2003
Cincinnati: 24-120
Pittsburgh: 15-47
Minnesota: 25-117
Baltimore: 22-86
New England: 26-111
Chicago: 14-165
Cleveland: 38-139

2002
Miami: 18-75
New England: 26-111
Seattle: 23-136
Indy: 18-88
NY: 24-103
Arizona: 24-228

Seems like he's done ok.

2002

Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TDs FDs 20+
Pittsburgh 16 359 22.4 1375 3.8 85.9 16 77 8
Tennessee 16 372 23.2 1424 3.8 89.0 7 75 12
Oakland 16 384 24.0 1453 3.8 90.8 14 96 6
Denver 16 379 23.7 1489 3.9 93.1 21 100 8
Miami 16 407 25.4 1554 3.8 97.1 9 86 7
Tampa Bay 16 410 25.6 1554 3.8 97.1 8 79 4
San Francisco 16 394 24.6 1652 4.2 103.2 14 96 13
Carolina 16 448 28.0 1653 3.7 103.3 12 95 7
Philadelphia 16 390 24.4 1660 4.3 103.8 5 83 8
Minnesota 16 394 24.6 1666 4.2 104.1 15 83 14
San Diego 16 410 25.6 1739 4.2 108.7 15 91 6
Washington 16 435 27.2 1754 4.0 109.6 14 96 11
Baltimore 16 471 29.4 1762 3.7 110.1 17 95 12
St. Louis 16 445 27.8 1816 4.1 113.5 15 105 9
Dallas 16 481 30.1 1818 3.8 113.6 10 90 9
New York (N) 16 407 25.4 1830 4.5 114.4 12 87 15
Detroit 16 495 30.9 1967 4.0 122.9 19 111 12
New York (A) 16 427 26.7 1973 4.6 123.3 17 116 11
New Orleans 16 439 27.4 1991 4.5 124.4 18 108 16
Indianapolis 16 459 28.7 1992 4.3 124.5 16 114 4
Green Bay 16 413 25.8 1998 4.8 124.9 14 122 10
Cincinnati 16 498 31.1 2003 4.0 125.2 16 104 12
Atlanta 16 441 27.6 2047 4.6 127.9 12 97 17
Kansas City 16 431 26.9 2067 4.8 129.2 19 120 13
Jacksonville 16 487 30.4 2071 4.3 129.4 14 112 7
Chicago 16 504 31.5 2076 4.1 129.8 13 110 9
Cleveland 16 483 30.2 2079 4.3 129.9 12 107 17
Houston 16 509 31.8 2089 4.1 130.6 14 116 14
Buffalo 16 473 29.6 2122 4.5 132.6 20 107 16
Arizona 16 490 30.6 2146 4.4 134.1 17 117 11
New England 16 467 29.2 2198 4.7 137.4 17 129 15
Seattle 16 500 31.2 2441 4.9 152.6 18 140 19

The run defenses of his 3 best performances of the 6 you mention:

Arizona was 30th
NE was 31st
Seattle was dead last

Just more confirmation

Again, Portis IS TALENTED and will be a good back..the Denver scheme certainly helped BUT He's seen his share of creampuffs