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horse 10-09-2008, 08:11 PM I'll never turn down a chance to talk salary cap and the Redskins future, but with that said, I'm all about enjoying the team as currently comprised right now.
Ride Springs until he's an old man like Darrell Green was. He does get hurt sometimes (though not too often), but when the guy plays he totally neutralizes opposing WRs. I'd extend the guy, to be quite honest. Extending him will actually cut his cap number a bit.
On Washington, I do think it's time to let him go next season. He's chronically bothered by injuries and is clearly a liability in coverage. HB Blades appears to be on an upward learning curve, it may be time to let him start next season. Our ability to do this, of course, hinges upon our ability to replace Marcus with adequate depth next season.
On Griffin, very tough call. He hasn't been the disruptive force he was in 2004 for a number of reasons, but he's still the anchor of a very good run defense. I'm in wait and see mode with him. Still a strong player for us when on the field, I'd try to find a way to keep him at a lower cap figure.
But hey, they're Redskins now, and they're 4-1. Gotta love em.
Though not to often? Where have you been hiding I love Springs and we are so much better with him than without, But he is always hurt for the gayest reasons, I just pray he's healthy for the big games. I do think he should stay though.
53Fan 10-09-2008, 08:44 PM If they finished the rest, or major part of the season strong and healthy, what would the feeling be then? I'll let it play out till the end of the season when there is a better understanding of where they're at, then state an opinion. I can't speculate on what their future health or performance will be. They've all been great players for us at some point, but chronic injury problems can send anyone packing. I hope they all return to form, but who knows?
GTripp0012 10-14-2008, 02:28 PM I don't see Griffin going next season unless we use our first rounder at that position, in which case he might get cut after the draft.
Washington might be kept on for depth reasons, but I do think Springs is a goner (note: I said this in 2006 and 2007 as well).
GTripp0012 10-14-2008, 02:31 PM I do think the correct move would be to get rid of Washington. Springs, I would cut his final year, and attempt to resign him at a cheaper salary, rather than giving him 7+ million in guarenteed money to extend him.
Schneed10 10-14-2008, 02:39 PM I do think the correct move would be to get rid of Washington. Springs, I would cut his final year, and attempt to resign him at a cheaper salary, rather than giving him 7+ million in guarenteed money to extend him.
Good luck with that. IMO there are plenty of teams in the league who would jump at the chance to pay Springs a $10 million signing bonus and have him lock down a CB spot for 3 years.
Sometimes as a front office, you have to admit when the player has the financial leverage. Springs does. He's the friggin man and he's still in tremendous shape.
GTripp0012 10-14-2008, 03:00 PM Good luck with that. IMO there are plenty of teams in the league who would jump at the chance to pay Springs a $10 million signing bonus and have him lock down a CB spot for 3 years.
Sometimes as a front office, you have to admit when the player has the financial leverage. Springs does. He's the friggin man and he's still in tremendous shape.If we were going to invest in Springs for three more seasons following this one, which is plausible, I think it would be accompanied by Fred Smoot's release (post June 1 designation). I agree that Springs is still very good, and probably deserving of an extension. I also think that Rogers and 35 year old Springs are a better combination than Rogers and 30 year old Smoot.
But if we're going to pay players for future performance, and not based on what they've done in the past, it would be tough for me to sign off on an extension for Springs that would guarantee his 2008 salary over a three year span.
Of course, the more I consider it, the less problematic it sounds. I definitely would say, in theory, that money is better spent on a proven veteran than a mid level guy looking for a payday.
However, lets consider the possibility that Nnamdi Asomugha hits the open market next season, and we can find the cap space to sign an elite corner (who is better than Asante Samuel or Nate Clements) by letting Smoot and Springs go. Shouldn't we do that deal if it would give us the best CB duo in the NFL?
Schneed10 10-14-2008, 03:24 PM If we were going to invest in Springs for three more seasons following this one, which is plausible, I think it would be accompanied by Fred Smoot's release (post June 1 designation). I agree that Springs is still very good, and probably deserving of an extension. I also think that Rogers and 35 year old Springs are a better combination than Rogers and 30 year old Smoot.
But if we're going to pay players for future performance, and not based on what they've done in the past, it would be tough for me to sign off on an extension for Springs that would guarantee his 2008 salary over a three year span.
Of course, the more I consider it, the less problematic it sounds. I definitely would say, in theory, that money is better spent on a proven veteran than a mid level guy looking for a payday.
However, lets consider the possibility that Nnamdi Asomugha hits the open market next season, and we can find the cap space to sign an elite corner (who is better than Asante Samuel or Nate Clements) by letting Smoot and Springs go. Shouldn't we do that deal if it would give us the best CB duo in the NFL?
Asomugha will command more than Nate Clements on the open market ($20 million bonus, $80 million total).
The excess cap space teams have found themselves with in recent Marches has led to excess inflation on free agent "prime age" players. Players like Shawn Springs, who don't fit that prime age, go for much less and return better value for the dollar.
Case in point: Derrick Dockery gets $49 million at age 27, Pete Kendall gets $3.5 million at age 35. Recognizing that Kendall was acquired in a trade and then renegotiated, but still. That's the recent trend.
Lotus 10-14-2008, 07:32 PM Asomugha will command more than Nate Clements on the open market ($20 million bonus, $80 million total).
The excess cap space teams have found themselves with in recent Marches has led to excess inflation on free agent "prime age" players. Players like Shawn Springs, who don't fit that prime age, go for much less and return better value for the dollar.
Case in point: Derrick Dockery gets $49 million at age 27, Pete Kendall gets $3.5 million at age 35. Recognizing that Kendall was acquired in a trade and then renegotiated, but still. That's the recent trend.
I agree. Asomugha is like other premier free agents who have gotten just too damn expensive.
Springs is already being groomed to move to safety. Washington likely will be forced to renegotiate or be released.
We need to use our top draft pick on a DT or CB to inject youth into one of those positions.
Duffman003 10-14-2008, 09:40 PM I remember hearing that Springs didn't want to play too much longer (and this was before all the stuff that happened to his father). Although, he may have changed his mind, I don't know how much longer he wants to play.
GTripp0012 10-15-2008, 11:13 PM I agree. Asomugha is like other premier free agents who have gotten just too damn expensive.
Springs is already being groomed to move to safety. Washington likely will be forced to renegotiate or be released.
We need to use our top draft pick on a DT or CB to inject youth into one of those positions.With the development as Horton as a legitimate compliment to Landry, Springs has almost zero value to us at the safety position.
Without Springs, the only hole in our secondary that isn't locked up at least through 2011 (per the current CBA only) is No. 2 CB. Smoot is under contract through 2011, but the way he's playing right now, he'd be lucky to be under contract in April.
So Springs has value to us as a No. 2 corner, but we'd probably just take his 2009 base salary and spread it out over a three year period, and call it an extension.
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