Liberal = Anti-American?

Everyone seems to be taking shots at me lately...I don't get it. What is extreme about my posts?

Everyone seems to be taking shots at me lately...I don't get it. What is extreme about my posts?

Its not shots at you it just disagreeing with your opinion. If you ever feel I'm taking a shot at you personaly then I'm sorry because that is not my intention.

I don't really care if people take shots at me because I'll fire right back (mods probably will have a problem with it personal attacks though). What I have a problem with is people calling me extreme. There's nothing extreme about me, if someone knows something I don't spit it out.

I don't really care if people take shots at me because I'll fire right back (mods probably will have a problem with it personal attacks though). What I have a problem with is people calling me extreme. There's nothing extreme about me, if someone knows something I don't spit it out.
Well your pretty set in you political believes and are not at all open to other ideas. Like our conversation months back about privatising SS and when shown the number in Galviston Tx you still thought goverment run SS worked better. Its like you saw the numbers and just did not believe them. Remember those numbers where a man working 30 years making on average $75000 a year would bring home X from gov. SS but brought home much more under their private system.

Well your pretty set in you political believes and are not at all open to other ideas. Like our conversation months back about privatising SS and when shown the number in Galviston Tx you still thought goverment run SS worked better. Its like you saw the numbers and just did not believe them. Remember those numbers where a man working 30 years making on average $75000 a year would bring home X from gov. SS but brought home much more under their private system.

We have plenty of that on both sides here. Let's not act like saden is the only one guilty of that.

I'm open to other ideas, I'm just not open to what I believe to be bad ideas. I don't have a problem with the concept of privatizing SS if it were made private as the program was being created. I do have a problem with the practicality of it at this point. The way it currently works is such that the younger generation pays into it so that the older generation can collect. What if we privatized SS tomorrow? What does that all mean? Can we implement the Galviston plan across the country? What will happen to my friends mom who is permanently disabled?

SS privatization crowd is all talk, no bark. Certainly no substance, just plain hate of "Socialist Security."

I'm not extreme, I'm just extremely opinionated and everything I say is reasoned and thought out though some might not like my methods or rational.

I'm open to other ideas, I'm just not open to what I believe to be bad ideas. I don't have a problem with the concept of privatizing SS if it were made private as the program was being created. I do have a problem with the practicality of it at this point. The way it currently works is such that the younger generation pays into it so that the older generation can collect. What if we privatized SS tomorrow? What does that all mean? Can we implement the Galviston plan across the country? What will happen to my friends mom who is permanently disabled?

SS privatization crowd is all talk, no bark. Certainly no substance, just plain hate of "Socialist Security."

I'm not extreme, I'm just extremely opinionated and everything I say is reasoned and thought out though some might not like my methods or rational.
Well its a broken system that is going broke. You want to keep throwing money into a broken system and I wnat the broken system to be done away with at some point. It cannot happen over night but we could start to move in another direction. I have shown you the substance in the other thread and your right about "Socialist False Security".

What have you shown me? Privatizing SS is not akin to fixing SS. What I am saying Privatizing SS doesn't answer the important questions and leaves many people out in the cold. It's a solution without showing work. If you are talking about fixing a broken SS system then I'm all ears.

What have you shown me? Privatizing SS is not akin to fixing SS. What I am saying Privatizing SS doesn't answer the important questions and leaves many people out in the cold. It's a solution without showing work. If you are talking about fixing a broken SS system then I'm all ears.

My point was not to provide a solution to SS but to make the point that we allready have enough broken federal programs and adding Health care to that list is not a very good idea. Plus it will drive cost up.

I'm open to other ideas, I'm just not open to what I believe to be bad ideas. I don't have a problem with the concept of privatizing SS if it were made private as the program was being created. I do have a problem with the practicality of it at this point. The way it currently works is such that the younger generation pays into it so that the older generation can collect. What if we privatized SS tomorrow? What does that all mean? Can we implement the Galviston plan across the country? What will happen to my friends mom who is permanently disabled?

SS privatization crowd is all talk, no bark. Certainly no substance, just plain hate of "Socialist Security."

I'm not extreme, I'm just extremely opinionated and everything I say is reasoned and thought out though some might not like my methods or rational.

mecixo chile and australia (among others) managed to do it. you do like galveston did... let people opt out, and then they can put their SS money in a private account that guarantees 4-6% return per year (sometimes they make more than the guarantee). Those accounts are divided between multiple regulated regional banks and credit unions (which basically look at it like long term CDs) - that way there's no chance of one bank failure bankrupting a retirement class (and these things can be FDIC insured).

so that takes care of everyone opting out going forward. you leave those nearing retirement on the old system and gradually reduce america's tax burden as the old guys retire (and the opt out rate will be over 90%).

probelm solved - less taxes, no one gets forced out on the street, and the younger guys get actually interest on their very safe accounts, beating inflation and making it economically feasible to keep the idea of guaranteed retirement without bankrupting the nation.

SS and medicare are EASY problems - galveston and japan already solved them 30 years ago!!. why reinvent the wheel?