blow it up

The biggest problem of the Snyder era is the lack of continuity with the exception of the Gibbs 2.0 years. Blowing it up again just sets us back another year where we start with new system, and presumably many new players. We have some nice pieces to build upon, but are woefully lacking on both the O and D lines. As disappointed as I am, I want to see Zorn remain, and the team continue to learn how to run the WCO, which typically takes 2-3 years before everyone is on the same page and running like clockwork. Blowing it up now would be the immature, pre-Gibbs approach that Snyder took nearly every season. Continuity is key, regardless of how we feel today.

Good post. I completely agree with everything you said. Patience can be hard but the rewards can be great. Lets give it another year and see the improvements before we give up.

A couple of points:

1) I am not as down or as up on JC as some people, but to say you would possibly rather have him then Big Ben or Palmer (when healthy) is an ignorant, at best, statement.

2) The 'Skins do not have above average offensive weapons. They have one truly good, maybe great, receiver, a great running back, and a good to great TE, none of which really matters b/c the o-line is a revolving door. Add to this the rest of the receivers who would not be 3rd receivers on good teams, and the result is what you see.

3) At 6-2, everyone was optimistic, and rightfully so, sadly though, if you looked at the 'Skins' point differential through those games it was only +20. A stat like that generally does not lie, and points more to a .500 team (what the 'Skins are right now) than a 10 or 11 win team (which they will obviously not be). Remembering back to '05, when the team had to go 5-0 to make the playoffs, things looked bleak, but I do remember one prognosticator pointing to the 'Skins' point differential before that run (inflated to a large degree by the blowout of the 49ers that year) as showing that the 'Skins were primed for playoff push. The point is this, even though that was one game, it showed the potential for offensive explosion, which we later saw; this year, the 'Skins had none of those games, even though they played a slew of teams that were probably just as bad as the '05 Niners.

4) I have thought about this a lot today, and I think Zorn should get one more season. That being said, I fully understand why some people want him gone. This team has regressed after the hot start. As pointed out above, this is not a case of team seeming to turn the corner after a slow start w/ a rookie head coach. The main fears coming into this season about Zorn were the lack of play-calling experience and the lack of game day decision making. Both fears have been proven true, and today showed both. The decision to run Sellars 2 straight times, at least once w/ a 3 tight end set, (so that's why we drafted Fred Davis!) defies belief. As a side note, if I were Zorn, I would talk to Sellars and say "Mike, you're great at hurdling people at midfield, but we're not paying you to jump at the goal line, run over someone damn it." Then to challenge the fumble in a tight game, where timeouts are precious was asinine, not to mention that heinous sequence after the long Rock run back at the end of the game. Throw it in the damn end zone 3 straight plays or just kick a field goal on first down.

1) I am not as down or as up on JC as some people, but to say you would possibly rather have him then Big Ben or Palmer (when healthy) is an ignorant, at best, statement.Ignorant, though, would imply that I can't back it up because I'm uninformed, which is not true. I'm bullish on Campbell, but Palmer was and Ben is having a horrific year with weak offensive lines. Campbell's OL is a little bit better, and he has continued to develop.

Roethlisberger and Palmer have both enjoyed better seasons than Campbell's best year, obviously, but their 2008s have been worse than Campbell's worst season (2006). Given that Campbell should continue to develop, I don't think it's a stretch at all to say he's better than those guys. I don't know how good Palmer can be in the future, but it's been two years since we were talking about him in the elite category, and if he can't reach those levels again, I'm confident that JC will have a better career than Palmer will.

Here is how I feel, I have been a life long 30 year Redskins fan and UVA fan. I have been watching mediocre football for almost half my life. I think we need a few core changes.

1. Coach. I know I will get crushed for this but we need someone with emotion. Someone who reminds these guys that they are playing a tough sport and not just a paycheck.

2. DEPTH! Look at these other teams, they have fresh guys who can come in and make plays. We have Portis and Santana but literally it stops there. Not one capable backup.

3. Some sort of line. Campbell is a fine QB, but right now he is looking around and rushing because he basically has no time to get rid of the ball. He has regressed this because he is basically a tackling dummy for the other team.

We are an old tired team. Its time to drop Vinny and get a real GM in here. He plays real football like it is a game of madden. Signing veterans and trading for older player with draft picks. We are basically an emotional roller coaster.

I agree with you. The skins problem is they lack depth and are old. All teams have to do is take Portis and Moss out of the game and then you have no other options. Cooley hasn't really been able to be used this year because he has to spend so much time help blocking.

Look at a team like the Giants. The don't miss a beat when their star DE, RB, and WR have been out of games. The skins are not that type of team.

Amen......All these fools who think Zorn and Campbell are the answer are ****ed up in the head. Bill Cowher should be the coach next year. Why waste any more time with these medicore players and coaches. Betts, ARE , Suisham, Campbell, Washington, Smoot, Plac, Thrash, Jansen, Rabach..........let me just stop right here, take a deep breath and walk away from my computer. Sorry for anyone who wasted time reading this.

There is no way Cowher will come here to have his authority undercut and his players working for the owner. Cowher doesnt operate the way the Skins do and he never will.

You honestly think Campbell is or will be an elite QB in the NFL. Wow.
Jake has battled injuries this year by the way and yes he is having average season but he took his team to the ****ing Super Bowl and a Conference Championship game by his 5th year. This is Campbell's 4th year. So how is JC better. Please explain why. You seem to have all the answers. Not to mention the Panthers are 11-3 this year with Jake at Qb.

No one saying JC is better. The real point is there are teams who have had horrible QB play this season and are going to the playoffs. Steelers, Ravens, Titans, Panthers, and even the Vikings. These teams are more talented than the skins especially on the defensive side.

Yes QBs like Eli and Jake won superbowl in their 4th/5th year, but look at those teams they won a superbowl with. Eli played horrible in the regular season year, but the team still made the playoffs. The skins could have Tom Brady on the team and they will not win the superbowl. I think going the playoffs last year gave a false impression that this team is good. Even with Collins at the helm the team couldn't get out of the first round. The Seattle game last season should have been an eye open to show that the skins problems are so much deeper than who is playing under center.

You can start Brennan next year, but the end results will be the same if the skins don't do some serious upgrades in the offseason.

No one saying JC is better. The real point is there are teams who have had horrible QB play this season and are going to the playoffs. Steelers, Ravens, Titans, Panthers, and even the Vikings. These teams are more talented than the skins especially on the defensive side.

Yes QBs like Eli and Jake won superbowl in their 4th/5th year, but look at those teams they won a superbowl with. Eli played horrible in the regular season year, but the team still made the playoffs. The skins could have Tom Brady on the team and they will not win the superbowl. I think going the playoffs last year gave a false impression that this team is good. Even with Collins at the helm the team couldn't get out of the first round. The Seattle game last season should have been an eye open to show that the skins problems are so much deeper than who is playing under center.

You can start Brennan next year, but the end results will be the same if the skins don't do some serious upgrades in the offseason.


Look at the Dolphins. They were terrible last year. What's different, they now have a capable QB that gets the job done and are now 9-5. The Skins do need upgrades and the most important place is QB. JC doesnt have it. The Skins have to find a pro style QB that gets the ball out and can make quick decisions.

Look at the Dolphins. They were terrible last year. What's different, they now have a capable QB that gets the job done and are now 9-5. The Skins do need upgrades and the most important place is QB. JC doesnt have it. The Skins have to find a pro style QB that gets the ball out and can make quick decisions.

Do you actually think Pennington is the sole reason they are all sudden good???

Look how the Dolphins approached the draft compared to the skins. The choose to upgrade their line vs. drafting receivers and punters. That the major difference.

Look at NO, GB, and the SD. All have outstanding QBs, but are sitting at home in January just like skins.

Do you actually think Pennington is the sole reason they are all sudden good???

Look how the Dolphins approached the draft compared to the skins. The choose to upgrade their line vs. drafting receivers and punters. That the major difference.

Look at NO, GB, and the SD. All have outstanding QBs, but are sitting at home in January just like skins.

The sole reason, no. A big part of it, yes. They do approach the draft better than the Skins (nobody approaches the draft worse than the Skins) but 1 draft just isnt enough time for the kind of turn around they have had this year.

There are plenty of teams with good QB staying home but you gotta have a good QB to get there and the Skins dont have one.

The sole reason, no. A big part of it, yes. They do approach the draft better than the Skins (nobody approaches the draft worse than the Skins) but 1 draft just isnt enough time for the kind of turn around they have had this year.

There are plenty of teams with good QB staying home but you gotta have a good QB to get there and the Skins dont have one.

Do you really??? Giant won the superbowl with Eli. (Eli was horrible regular season, he was actually worse than JC) Raven won a superbowl with Dilfer.

Kerry Collins isn't a good QB. Big Ben has played horrible this year(due to oline issues) Ferrotte/Taravis are not better than JC.

Btw did the Jets make the playoffs last season with Pennington????
Is he really a difference maker?? If the Parcells didn't do a major overhaul in the offseason the Dolphins would still be looking at 1-15.

JC may not be a Brady or McNabb( QBs who can win with less talent), but more like E. Manning were he needs a good team around him to win.

The skins can't really afford to draft a QB in the offseason, so right now he is the only choice.