Could Holmgren Be the End Game?

Does anyone remember that when Holmgren first went to Seattle he also had GM duties and they ended up stripping him of that. So why would we want him to handle head coach and GM duties for us?? I think he already proved he wasn't a great fit for that dual role.

As much as id like to agree, there's no way they get rid of Vinny. This guy will never lose his job.

Right they won't get rid of Vinny, but no one was named President when Gibbs stepped down. Snyder could bring him in as President of the Redskins which would make Vinny report to Holmgren. The only issues would be if Holmgren would work with Vinny and accept a role that does not include coaching. Hiring Holmgren to run the franchise is a perfect fit since he is a master of the type of offense they are trying to impliment. Plus he would be an invaluable resourse for Zorn as he develops as a head coach.

Does anyone remember that when Holmgren first went to Seattle he also had GM duties and they ended up stripping him of that. So why would we want him to handle head coach and GM duties for us?? I think he already proved he wasn't a great fit for that dual role.

I wouldn't want him as HC, but maybe as team prez/GM. Not too many HC's also make good GM's at the same time. But seperate from each other...

Zorn and Holmgren are close, Holmgren's coaching tree is impeccable, and he is the King of WCO in the current NFL (with Bill Walsh gone that is.). I would have no issue whatsoever bringing in Holmgren as the team's GM/advisor to Zorn. In fact I would welcome it.

But as JLC repeatedly points out, this is big-time speculation at this point.

Vinny was promoted when Gibbs retired, so he is effectively the GM/Pres., it's all semantics really. Holmgren would likely only want the job if he had either 1) the head coach position, or 2) Vinny's job.

I like the sound of Holmgren maybe going to Dallas. While I like him & think he's a good head coach, I think the fact that he's been talking retirement for a while makes him not an ideal coaching candidate. Do you really want a head coach that seems so undecided on whether to coach or not? Let the cowpokes hire him, his heart won't be in it enough to deal w/JJ et al.

Vinny was promoted when Gibbs retired, so he is effectively the GM/Pres., it's all semantics really. Holmgren would likely only want the job if he had either 1) the head coach position, or 2) Vinny's job.

I like the sound of Holmgren maybe going to Dallas. While I like him & think he's a good head coach, I think the fact that he's been talking retirement for a while makes him not an ideal coaching candidate. Do you really want a head coach that seems so undecided on whether to coach or not? Let the cowpokes hire him, his heart won't be in it enough to deal w/JJ et al.

Vinny got the GM title but he didn't get the President title that Gibbs had. They could give Holmgren the same job Parcels has in Miami without demoting Vinny at all. I don't know that he wants that but there is an opening in the skins current front office structure for a new President.

I wouldn't mind this scenario, and it would most likely mean that Cerrato is gone.

I would love to have him in a Parcels type role as President but I am not on board with firing Zorn. Holmgren in charge of the whole organization and helping to mentor Zorn on the side would be a great situation.


Zorn is toast, unless he can perform miracles against the Eagles and 49ers. Why the hell do folks want to keep Zorn so bad? Continuity for continuity's sake has been done before. That is why we got stuck with Norv for 10 years. Do you fools want to get stuck with going 7-9 to 8-8 every year? His system is passe, and it has been figured out as a result of the WCO being featured by too many teams in the last 20 years. Also, what guy comes out in front of the press and tells them he must be the worst HC in the NFL? Stick a fork in the poor bastard. And why do you want Holmgren to come here to mentor Zorn(assuming Zorn somehow stays)? He had a short, but very sweet run with Brett and the Pack and a few good years with Seattle when Alexander was worth something as a RB. After that the Seahawks have sucked. Only thing that has kept them afloat is they are in the crappiest division in the NFL. According to ESPN a couple nights ago talking about coaches on the hot seat with the info they talked about with regards to Zorn, he looks like he is going to be in the unemployment line soon. Can't believe folks want to keep Zorn if Cowher looks like he is the heir apparent.

"Can't believe folks want to keep Zorn if Cowher looks like he is the heir apparent"

Good Call Gus. I dont know either.

If anything lets hold Zorn as QB Coach to develop Campbell...because thats the only positive things hes done.
Is it possible for Zorn to JUST be QB Coach? ah.. probally not.

Zorn is toast, unless he can perform miracles against the Eagles and 49ers. Why the hell do folks want to keep Zorn so bad? Continuity for continuity's sake has been done before. That is why we got stuck with Norv for 10 years. Do you fools want to get stuck with going 7-9 to 8-8 every year? His system is passe, and it has been figured out as a result of the WCO being featured by too many teams in the last 20 years. Also, what guy comes out in front of the press and tells them he must be the worst HC in the NFL? Stick a fork in the poor bastard. And why do you want Holmgren to come here to mentor Zorn(assuming Zorn somehow stays)? He had a short, but very sweet run with Brett and the Pack and a few good years with Seattle when Alexander was worth something as a RB. After that the Seahawks have sucked. Only thing that has kept them afloat is they are in the crappiest division in the NFL. According to ESPN a couple nights ago talking about coaches on the hot seat with the info they talked about with regards to Zorn, he looks like he is going to be in the unemployment line soon. Can't believe folks want to keep Zorn if Cowher looks like he is the heir apparent.

We have no idea what Zorn can do because he has only had 1 year. Thinking like that you would have fired Joe Gibbs in 1981...not that i am saying Zorn will ever be Gibbs. I think the Redskins biggest problems are in the front office and having an experienced guy like Holmgren there would help.

And what makes everyone think Cohwer will be so great with his next team? Is he going to bring the whole Pittsburgh front office with him? And Cowher is a pipe dream anyway because he will never work with Vinny as his personel man. Besides if Cohwer wanted the Redskins coaching job he would have taken it last year.

We have no idea what Zorn can do because he has only had 1 year. Thinking like that you would have fired Joe Gibbs in 1981...not that i am saying Zorn will ever be Gibbs. I think the Redskins biggest problems are in the front office and having an experienced guy like Holmgren there would help.

And what makes everyone think Cohwer will be so great with his next team? Is he going to bring the whole Pittsburgh front office with him? And Cowher is a pipe dream anyway because he will never work with Vinny as his personel man. Besides if Cohwer wanted the Redskins coaching job he would have taken it last year.

gibbs went 8-8 his first year but finished strong winning 8 out of 11 zorn has done the opposite and i think the strong start was due to there being no film on him no the book is out