2009 Draft Position & Who to Root for Sunday

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:lol: EXACTLY!

there is no way we can play the volts and steelers in the same regular season as they are in different divisions and we just played the AFC North this season more than likely we will face the AFC west next season

I posted a response but it has been covered already so i modified... suffice to say, if we lose to the 49ers Sunday, we basically get two easy wins next year. If we win, its almost assured we get two losses (atleast based on how the opponents played this year... anything can happen in the NFL so the Lions could be the best team in the NFL next year... lol, nevermind thats just too crazy!)

It's ALREADY that time of season for us Redskin fans again. The time for Christmas wishes and looking forward to the NFL draft, not our upcoming playoff matchup.

Since I am sure that many here are wandering where exactly we will be selecting in the 1st round... I decided to take a look at the scenerios leading up to Sundays game in SF.

Basically, depending what happens Sunday, we could draft as high as 13th, but that is unlikely as we would have to lose, the Bills defeat the Patriots, the Saints defeat the Panthers, and the Texans defeat the Bears.

The lowest we could draft is 18th. This happens if we win, the Cowboys defeat the Eagles, the Bears lose to the Texans, and the Jets lose to the Dolphins. This seems more likely, except for the Bears game, as they are playing to win division & Texans are playing for nothing.

I wanted to point out for everyone which games will have an effect on our position between 15th and 18th (our most likely landing spot)....

* We want the Bears to win (vs Texans) & the Vikings to lose (to G-Men), because the bears will draft ahead of us if they don't make playoffs, whereas, the Vikings would still draft after us if they don't make it.

* We want the Jets to win (over Dolphins) as they would draft ahead of us if we finish tied at 9-7 (due to strength of schedule). FYI, whoever doesn't make playoffs between Miami, NE, and Balt. automatically will draft after us as they all have 10 wins.

* We want the Eagles to win over Dallas (as if we needed MORE reason!) because if they lose they will draft before us (8-7-1 is worse thatn 9-7). FYI, whoever doesn't make playoffs between Dallas (Lions will be USING their pick from a trade) & Tampa will draft after us due to their sos being higher.

If these 4 things happen, and we win, we will have the 15th selection in the upcoming draft.

Basically, each of those "scenarios" constitutes a slot for us in the draft.

So, somewhere between 15 & 18 seems most likely, but if you REALLY care about a couple of slots (us picking 13th), then your Christmas wish is for us to lose, etc. noted above...

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

OH... And I wanted to point out what I thought was interesting when looking at this....

The Detroit Lions have, by far, the toughest SOS of anyone in football at .573, whereas the Tennessee Titans have, by far, the easiest SOS at .433.... just an extra nugget there.

Well done. I was wondering how this was all going to play out. I was just too lazy to do the homework.

If it were up to me, I'd nominate you for VIP status for this thread.

With our cap situtation, wouldn't it make more sense to pick a few spots lower, considering the talent level is roughly the same?

I mean, obviously, if it was a huge issue, we could just skip over a few picks and have a lower slot. But, you know, lots of discussion about the difference between pick 14-18.

I posted a response but it has been covered already so i modified... suffice to say, if we lose to the 49ers Sunday, we basically get two easy wins next year. If we win, its almost assured we get two losses (atleast based on how the opponents played this year... anything can happen in the NFL so the Lions could be the best team in the NFL next year... lol, nevermind thats just too crazy!)
At this time last year I would have welcomed facing the Falcons and Dolphins in '08. Two easy wins.
An offseason can change a lot.

At this time last year I would have welcomed facing the Falcons and Dolphins in '08. Two easy wins.
An offseason can change a lot.It can change a lot, but the Lions and Rams happen to be two of the worst teams ever.

Where as the Dolphins and Falcons last year were merely bad. Dolphins because of a ton of injurys, and the Falcons were playing with dead-weight vets and no quarterback.

With our cap situtation, wouldn't it make more sense to pick a few spots lower, considering the talent level is roughly the same?

I mean, obviously, if it was a huge issue, we could just skip over a few picks and have a lower slot. But, you know, lots of discussion about the difference between pick 14-18.


See, I'm not good with cap numbers, but is there really a huge difference in price for 13th compared to 18th pick? I mean, is 13th that much higher? I don't know much about it...

I can tell you the difference in what you can get between 13th and 18th is this: Last year Branden Albert, the lineman most around here wanted, went 15th. Chris Williams OT went 14th.... and Gosder Cherilus OL went 17th.

Not to say that there is any drop off in talent between the picks, my point is that if we were at 18th pick last year, that's 3 offensive linemen difference (between 13 & 18)

It seems a lot of times to me that the team picking before you always seems to want the same player/position, but you never truly know what you are getting anyway.

Also, it may be easier to trade the 13th pick than the 18th. Like last year, Jonathan Stewart RB went 13th. There is more likely to have a top 10 projected player still be there at 13 compared to 18. But like I said, this is information for those who DO care where we pick, if you don't that's fine.

Oh... GTripp, I totally agree about the difference between playing Packers & Seahawks or playing Lions & Rams. GB & Sea were deep in playoffs last year, StL & Det aren't really close right now.... they are MUCH better targets.

and Beemnseven... thanks a lot for the comments. I like when I can have something to root for in other games so that Sundays are even more entertaining. Plus, I REALLY was wondering how much Sundays results could effect us for the draft & next season!

See, I'm not good with cap numbers, but is there really a huge difference in price for 13th compared to 18th pick? I mean, is 13th that much higher? I don't know much about it...

I can tell you the difference in what you can get between 13th and 18th is this: Last year Branden Albert, the lineman most around here wanted, went 15th. Chris Williams OT went 14th.... and Gosder Cherilus OL went 17th.

Not to say that there is any drop off in talent between the picks, my point is that if we were at 18th pick last year, that's 3 offensive linemen difference (between 13 & 18)

It seems a lot of times to me that the team picking before you always seems to want the same player/position, but you never truly know what you are getting anyway.

Also, it may be easier to trade the 13th pick than the 18th. Like last year, Jonathan Stewart RB went 13th. There is more likely to have a top 10 projected player still be there at 13 compared to 18. But like I said, this is information for those who DO care where we pick, if you don't that's fine.

Oh... GTripp, I totally agree about the difference between playing Packers & Seahawks or playing Lions & Rams. GB & Sea were deep in playoffs last year, StL & Det aren't really close right now.... they are MUCH better targets.

and Beemnseven... thanks a lot for the comments. I like when I can have something to root for in other games so that Sundays are even more entertaining. Plus, I REALLY was wondering how much Sundays results could effect us for the draft & next season!

No there's not. There's no material difference when it comes to cap impact of drafting 13th compared to 18th. It's not something you'd worry about.

See, I'm not good with cap numbers, but is there really a huge difference in price for 13th compared to 18th pick? I mean, is 13th that much higher? I don't know much about it...

I can tell you the difference in what you can get between 13th and 18th is this: Last year Branden Albert, the lineman most around here wanted, went 15th. Chris Williams OT went 14th.... and Gosder Cherilus OL went 17th.

Not to say that there is any drop off in talent between the picks, my point is that if we were at 18th pick last year, that's 3 offensive linemen difference (between 13 & 18)

It seems a lot of times to me that the team picking before you always seems to want the same player/position, but you never truly know what you are getting anyway.

Also, it may be easier to trade the 13th pick than the 18th. Like last year, Jonathan Stewart RB went 13th. There is more likely to have a top 10 projected player still be there at 13 compared to 18. But like I said, this is information for those who DO care where we pick, if you don't that's fine.What Schneed said. It's not a make or break type thing, but it's enough, IMO, to make it a wash whether we pick 13th or 18th. All the unianimously top talents will be gone, and we'll probably still be able to grab one of the best players on our board at any of those slots, assuming we don't trade back (in which case, it might make the big difference).

It's something to keep an eye on. Vinny will try to trade away the pick for veteran talent three separate times, giving us all heartattacks, before the pick is used anyway.