Stan Hixon

I'll also add that we have had a couple of WR's that have were supposed to be washed up or primidana's who have gone on to other teams and produced....ie; Patten having gone to the Saints and Lloyd having gone to the Bears. Lloyd had this year...26 rec. for 364 yrds and 2 td's that more then he had with us. Not great production but production none the less. Same with Patten. Oh, and look at Coles. He produced some good numbers with the Jets comes to us does not too shabby then Gibbs trades him back to the Jets for Moss and Coles is their leading WR becoming a scoring machine.

I would think it would be the coach's responsibility to teach route running especially to new WR's just out of college trying to learn the NFL speed.

I'm not saying it's totally Hixons fault that our team sucked mid way through the season. What I'm saying is I have not seen production from a unit in 5 yrs. It remained constant and has not grown. Yes we have short WR for those yrs so you develope plays around that. Curls, Slants besides screan plays every other play. Come backs would have worked also. Our come backs were 2 yrds when we needed 5. Obviously a WR/HC issue.

Let me ask you ...if a RB is not running the right routes all year and they get rid of him and bring in a new RB and he is not running right routes who's fault is it? Who gets let go then? I guess it should be HC, QB or OC right. Wait I forgot management....Cerratto.

I'll also add that we have had a couple of WR's that have were supposed to be washed up or primidana's who have gone on to other teams and produced....ie; Patten having gone to the Saints and Lloyd having gone to the Bears. Lloyd had this year...26 rec. for 364 yrds and 2 td's that more then he had with us. Not great production but production none the less. Same with Patten. Oh, and look at Coles. He produced some good numbers with the Jets comes to us does not too shabby then Gibbs trades him back to the Jets for Moss and Coles is their leading WR becoming a scoring machine.

I would think it would be the coach's responsibility to teach route running especially to new WR's just out of college trying to learn the NFL speed.

I'm not saying it's totally Hixons fault that our team sucked mid way through the season. What I'm saying is I have not seen production from a unit in 5 yrs. It remained constant and has not grown. Yes we have short WR for those yrs so you develope plays around that. Curls, Slants besides screan plays every other play. Come backs would have worked also. Our come backs were 2 yrds when we needed 5. Obviously a WR/HC issue.

Let me ask you ...if a RB is not running the right routes all year and they get rid of him and bring in a new RB and he is not running right routes who's fault is it? Who gets let go then? I guess it should be HC, QB or OC right. Wait I forgot management....Cerratto.

How is Coles a scoring machine exactly?

His TDs since going back to the Jets:

2008: 7
2007: 6
2006: 6
2005: 5

Sorry but that doesn't scream "scoring machine" to me.

How about his receiving yards since going back to the Jets?

2008: 850
2007: 646
2006: 1,098
2005: 845

Pretty pedestrian numbers overall to me. He's solid but let's not act like he's a gamebreaker.

Thats why I suggested OC position. He would have a lot in helping Zorn drum up plays to go a long with Zorn's wonderfull offense he provided and he would coach up the WR's. We all know if they did go out and get a OC Zorn would still be calling plays so who cares. Give him more pay, give him the WR's to coach up, and have him help Zorn with designing plays. but call him OC and it's not a lateral move. lol. right.lol.

Ahhh, missed that part. So, fire Sherman Smith? Or make one of them assistant head coach, etc?

Ahhh, missed that part. So, fire Sherman Smith? Or make one of them assistant head coach, etc?

Not sure but changes need to be made in the coaching dept.


As for Coles being a scoring machine....I apologize for inflating his numbers. but I'll say he has done more there then he did here. Probably cause he's their #1 WR or #2 but he's done more. One would think after 2 years with us the team would figure out how to utilize ARE in a proper way instead of making him a #2 WR. If he is truely our second best talent on the team at WR we are screwed and I blame this on our WR position coach for not coaching up the two tallest WR's we have even though they are rookies. Heck we had a tall WR at the beginning of the preseason who was catching everything thrown his way and we let him go. As much production as we got out of Thrash we could have kept the other WR as a #2 untill Kelly and Thomas came along.

This sounds like people looking for a scapegoat to me.

You gotta blame somebody. Has it just been our receivers, play-callers, or what?

Along with whatever discussion we have about the WR coach, there's a strong argument to be made that our soon to be 2nd year pass catchers better condition well in the offseason and study their playbooks.

While were at it can we get a better conditioning coach? I'm truely tired of all the pulled hammies and groins. EVERY year.

While were at it can we get a better conditioning coach? I'm truely tired of all the pulled hammies and groins. EVERY year.

Yeah it's getting to be a bit ridiculous. I don't know how mandatory some of the conditioning is.. and whether most players follow their own routines or whatever, but they need to stricten up in that department big time. How many calves, hammies, groins, quads, etc are we going to continue to see?

This sounds like people looking for a scapegoat to me.

I would agree that this would seem like scapegoating if it weren't for the fact that people have been questioning Hixon's ability since prior to this season.

IMHO, this thread is just one of the various "Okay, season's over let's discuss changes" that is both a rehash and collectivization of previous threads (i.e. the threads concerning age along the O-line, what to do about the pass rush, etc.).

We are all wondering what it will take to make this team a perrenial playoff team as it was in the 80's and early 90's. Now is the time for analysis, rehash and review.

As for Hixon, yes lots can go wrong with the passing game that is not his responsiblity BUT I have not heard or seen any evidence, either from players, other coaches or through performance, that he has taken players and made/helped them perform to the best of the abilities. Further, under his tutelage, the receiving corp has been mediocre at best. To me, these things evidence a less than stellar coach who has failed to truly develop talent in his area of responsibility.

I think the negatives concerning Hixon are obvious through the performance of his pupils. I would welcome any one who can provide any evidence that he is doing his job well.

While were at it can we get a better conditioning coach? I'm truely tired of all the pulled hammies and groins. EVERY year.

It was actually better this year than in previous years for sure. I remember in the preseason reading (don't remember where though) that we took some steps to address this. It has definitely improved.

It was actually better this year than in previous years for sure. I remember in the preseason reading (don't remember where though) that we took some steps to address this. It has definitely improved.

Agreed, but we still had issues come second half of some games which tells me its more they are cooling down at half time and not getting strectched out and warmed up prior to second half of games.