Some offseason optimism

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BigHairedAristocrat
01-07-2009, 05:49 PM
I would love to see Shanahan come here after next year, but lets get real, what big name really wants to come to this train wreck no matter what the money? Legendary future hall of fame coaches will want to go to a good organization with a real GM and an owner who isin't trying to play fantasy football with his team.

Cerrato and Zorn are tied at the hip. If Zorn fails, Cerratos gone. So if we were in the market for a new HC next year, we would also be in the market for a new GM.

BigHairedAristocrat
01-07-2009, 05:51 PM
Snyder needs to, as he did with Gibbs, give Zorn years to develop to his full potential. Hopefully they chose wisely when they picked him.

Theres a reason Zorns over 50 and no one ever offered him an offensive coordinator job - let alone a HC position. He got the job here because no one else wanted it - not because he was a good candidate.

SmootSmack
01-07-2009, 06:03 PM
1. I would interview Morocco Brown, Scott Pioli, Bill Parcells, and Mike Holmgren off the top of my head, if they are available. I would also offer Mike Ditka or Jimmy Johnson a ton of money to take the job, but the chances of that are slim to none. I would also consider other execs in the Giants or Patriots, and Eagles front offices - those are teams that have good drafts each and every year.

2. The WCO isnt the problem and i never indicated that it was - my criticism of Zorn was changing up the running game - the one part of the offense that WAS working - midseason. Also, Zorn plain sucks as a playcaller. Shanahan would be immensely superior in that capacity. he would also realize that sherman smith has no business being an offensive coordinator and hire someone with some talent.

3. If Vinny was being truthful when he said he would be fired if he didnt turn the team around by next year then yes, i do hope the team fails. This franchise will never Never NEVER NEVER return to its glory days until Vinny Cerrato is gone and we have a strong GM who does more than just act like an enabler to Snyder. I want whats best for this team long-term. If 2009 has to be horrible for that to happen, then yes, i want the team to fail. The higher our draft picks are in every round of the 2010 draft, the more enticing the GM and Head Coaching jobs will be to Cerrato and Zorns replacements.


1. Mike Ditka as our GM? Really? Jimmy Johnson has been talked to before but the interest just isn't there. Forget about Parcells, he's staying in Miami and then probably finally retiring for good. I've thought for weeks that Pioli (Parcells' son in law incidentally) is going to KC and I'll stick with that belief. As for Morocco Brown, he seems like a solid young executive. But, a couple of questions, if he was brought in by Cerrato then why wouldn't Snyder send Brown (and Scott Campbell) for that matter packing as well? And how would he be any less of an "enabler" than you claim Cerrato to be?

2. Fine

3. Fine

SmootSmack
01-07-2009, 06:16 PM
Theres a reason Zorns over 50 and no one ever offered him an offensive coordinator job - let alone a HC position. He got the job here because no one else wanted it - not because he was a good candidate.

I don't want to go off-topic but I might as well ask it here. How'd you come up with your nickname? I kinda like it. Reminds me of Sideshow Bob actually :)

Does it relate to your job or something?

Paintrain
01-07-2009, 07:22 PM
1. Mike Ditka as our GM? Really? Jimmy Johnson has been talked to before but the interest just isn't there. Forget about Parcells, he's staying in Miami and then probably finally retiring for good. I've thought for weeks that Pioli (Parcells' son in law incidentally) is going to KC and I'll stick with that belief. As for Morocco Brown, he seems like a solid young executive. But, a couple of questions, if he was brought in by Cerrato then why wouldn't Snyder send Brown (and Scott Campbell) for that matter packing as well? And how would he be any less of an "enabler" than you claim Cerrato to be?

I was going to pounce on that one if you hadn't. Mike Ditka who traded us an ENTIRE DRAFT (not that we did much with it) for Ricky Williams, he's who you want as a GM? Is Mike Lynn not available?

I believe that if Snyder drops the hammer on Zorn and Vinny after this year he's going to give whomever comes in full control and autonomy to make all of the football decisions. Even he is smart enough to realize that everybody else has it figured out and he's got to get with the program.

Here's the challenge with the 'Big 3' though:
Cowher-He's very close to Marty, like mentor-mentee (or is it Mento?) close. It'd be really interesting to see if he'd come here after Marty was one and done.

Holmgren-If he comes, that means we just fired his boy Zorn and his system wasn't being run effectively. That's two major strikes to overcome.

Shanahan-He has a strong relationship and strong admiration for Jerry Jones. He's also known to be a bit of a front runner and from a pure talent base a Romo-R. Williams-Witten-Barber/Jones may be more attractive than QB TBD (cause Campbell will be gone if Zorn goes)-Moss-Cooley-Portis. Just some food for thought.

Hog1
01-07-2009, 07:55 PM
I was going to pounce on that one if you hadn't. Mike Ditka who traded us an ENTIRE DRAFT (not that we did much with it) for Ricky Williams, he's who you want as a GM? Is Mike Lynn not available?

I believe that if Snyder drops the hammer on Zorn and Vinny after this year he's going to give whomever comes in full control and autonomy to make all of the football decisions. Even he is smart enough to realize that everybody else has it figured out and he's got to get with the program.

Here's the challenge with the 'Big 3' though:
Cowher-He's very close to Marty, like mentor-mentee (or is it Mento?) close. It'd be really interesting to see if he'd come here after Marty was one and done.

Holmgren-If he comes, that means we just fired his boy Zorn and his system wasn't being run effectively. That's two major strikes to overcome.

Shanahan-He has a strong relationship and strong admiration for Jerry Jones. He's also known to be a bit of a front runner and from a pure talent base a Romo-R. Williams-Witten-Barber/Jones may be more attractive than QB TBD (cause Campbell will be gone if Zorn goes)-Moss-Cooley-Portis. Just some food for thought.
What's Floyd Reese, Charlie Casserly, and that X-tampa Bay guy doing? Did Dan fire CC?

Miller101
01-07-2009, 08:20 PM
Shanahan has a proven record of success as a head coach... he just sucks at GM duties and is not a good evaluator or talent. Put him somewhere with a good GM and he will run a successful team. I also would like Shanahan because he could continue the WCO installed by Zorn, making it unnecessary to completely start over from scratch. That said, I would still prefer Cowher.

Russ Grimm! Not Cowher! Cowher is old and wouldn't come back for longer than four years anyway. Russ Grimm is young...........well, young enough! and he would know what do do with this power running game that Joe Gibbs built. He would know how to incorporate the downfield pass with it as well.

He would also know, before the season starts, Sellers is a premier full back in this game. He can not only block very well, but he can run and catch the ball too. AND! Get this! Russ would know that a back up center CAN'T BE BLAMED FOR POOR EXECUTION WHEN IT COMES TO BLOCKING SUGGS AT THE TACKLE POSITION!!!

Russ Grimm! We should have hired him for this job! Someone that knows the power running game. Someone that has coaching experience and a superbowl ring as a coach and a player..........Zorn doesn't have one period. And someone that always builds good lineman wherever he goes...........With Pittsburgh it was about run blocking with Arizona its about pass blocking. You name it Russ will bring it!



"We like it so much we're gonna run it again!" - Russ Grimm to Randy White while running 50 gut eight times in a row, which killed the clock and secured the NFC Championship.

Trample the Elderly
01-07-2009, 10:04 PM
I think that the best optimistic thing that I can say about the Skins is that Vinny is close to losing his job. Perhaps the best thing that can happen for this team is to blow it up and bring in a new GM and Wow, Russ Grim that would be nice. It'd be like bringing Joe Gibbs out of retirement. I like Russ and Joe but they couldn't control the players. Seriously, we'll never go anywhere as long as the players know they'll be there longer than the coaches, and Vinny is up there making stupid mistakes taking their side. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am.

SmootSmack
01-07-2009, 11:05 PM
I think some front office names to watch out for in a couple of years are Ron Hughes of the Steelers and Chris Polian and Tom Telesco of the Colts

freddavisbro86
01-17-2009, 03:00 AM
o line help------ def ends

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