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irish 01-15-2009, 06:39 PM You are right, JZ needs to stay! My jury is out on VC.....for now
Many fans including Skins fans scream for "Cowher"..........but they forget how many seasons it took to reach the pinacle.
If you notice, Cowher's success came when the Steelers finally got rid of Kordell Stewart (after many years of trying to make him work out) and brought in a pro style QB. Cowher always had good Ds and a decent O but the QB kept holding them back.
SmootSmack 01-15-2009, 06:52 PM If you notice, Cowher's success came when the Steelers finally got rid of Kordell Stewart (after many years of trying to make him work out) and brought in a pro style QB. Cowher always had good Ds and a decent O but the QB kept holding them back.
How are you measuring success here? In four years with Stewart as the starting QB they went to two AFC Championship games
GMScud 01-15-2009, 06:54 PM How are you measuring success here? In four years with Stewart as the starting QB they went to two AFC Championship games
Which is further testament to Cowher's coaching prowess given how amazingly mediocre Stewart was.
Typical Kordell Stewart stat line: 9-23 passing, 143 yards, 2ints
64 rushing yards, 1td
irish 01-15-2009, 07:14 PM Which is further testament to Cowher's coaching prowess given how amazingly mediocre Stewart was.
Typical Kordell Stewart stat line: 9-23 passing, 143 yards, 2ints
64 rushing yards, 1td
I agree, it was amazing what Cowher did with KS as the QB. But in Pgh they define success as winning Super Bowls witnessed by the fact that the fans wanted him gone because he wasnt winning the Super Bowl but Rooney (the owner) stuck with him and they drafted BR, he came in and the rest is history.
GTripp0012 01-15-2009, 07:23 PM If you notice, Cowher's success came when the Steelers finally got rid of Kordell Stewart (after many years of trying to make him work out) and brought in a pro style QB. Cowher always had good Ds and a decent O but the QB kept holding them back.Can we not subtly compare Jason Campbell to Kordell Stewart?
Especially if your definition of "pro style QB" is Roethlisberger. For everything he does do well, operate efficiently from the pocket and make good pre snap reads are not among them.
irish 01-15-2009, 07:54 PM Can we not subtly compare Jason Campbell to Kordell Stewart?
Especially if your definition of "pro style QB" is Roethlisberger. For everything he does do well, operate efficiently from the pocket and make good pre snap reads are not among them.
I wasnt comparing them but if you want me to I will. I only stated what is a fact, once the Steelers got rid of KS after many years of trying to make him work they finally had success because the offense could finally score points. I get a chuckle out out of people that like to dis BR when all he has done since he came into the league is win a Super Bowl and take his team deep into the playoffs every year. For someone that cant operate from the pocket and make good pre-snap reads, he sure has been successful. FYI, a pro style QB drops back and throws the ball, he runs only when he has to. If you watch NFL games you can see that's what a pro style QB does. Thats what BR does which is why he's a pro style QB.
The Goat 01-15-2009, 07:59 PM Believe I read Big Ben is the most accurate passer in the league since his rookie year... i still think he's a wank.
GTripp0012 01-15-2009, 08:02 PM I wasnt comparing them but if you want me to I will. I only stated what is a fact, once the Steelers got rid of KS after many years of trying to make him work they finally had success because the offense could finally score points. I get a chuckle out out of people that like to dis BR when all he has done since he came into the league is win a Super Bowl and take his team deep into the playoffs every year. For someone that cant operate from the pocket and make good pre-snap reads, he sure has been successful. FYI, a pro style QB drops back and throws the ball, he runs only when he has to. If you watch NFL games you can see that's what a pro style QB does. Thats what BR does which is why he's a pro style QB.I think you are trying to imply that Jason Campbell isn't a pro-style QB. Which, if your prototype of the term is Roethlisberger, is worth many chuckles.
There's no doubt that Roethlisberger has had a successful five year career to date. Being a "pro-style QB" has little, if anything to do with that.
I mean, all you have to do is say what you mean. I'm just doing my best to read between the lines on your posts.
GTripp0012 01-15-2009, 08:05 PM I am in no way trying to imply that Ben Roethlisberger is not a bigger/better/winninger player than Kordell Stewart. Just that, Jason Campbell to Stewart is a real, real dumb comparison for a whole bunch of reasons. You didn't explicitly say that, but that's what I thought you were getting at when I read what you wrote.
DarkKnight 01-15-2009, 09:36 PM Trade away ARE, Springs, Smoot, and Carter- get the best we can out of trading those guys away.
resign - Hall is a must. M.U.S.T.
restructure J.Taylor - he needs to comeback
take our 13th pick and take C.J. Spiller - Clemsons
sign - Birk C from Minn.
I was high on Hanynesworth - I say pass but if we must get him then do, but if we dont need him - not a big deal to me now.
draft a OL in the 3rd Rd.
dont sign any WR from FA
I'm Banking on Devin Thomas will be ready for spring training.
as the clear cut #2
QB comp. between Campbell and Brennen/ 3rd free agent QB ????
move Jansen to LG
I think C.J. Spiller is a clone of Chris Johnson
I move Landry to SS
and Horton to FS, let him rome the field.
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