2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts

I dont think its really a good Idea or its going to happen ,why first we bring these players for draft picks like (Kendel for #5) and JT for #2 and when come up short ,cut them and worry about how to replace our draft picks, so trade our player ( moss roger etc)who are truly only play makers in this team,make really no sence what so ever.Lets say if we trade Moss,you really think that Chambell will progress ,Its our offense that need more and more play makers.Here is what we shoud try to do

1. Cut Taylor (Save $8 mil he is in his final year therefore this is net saving)
2. Re-work cap friendly contract with Griffen,Washington,Spring and Jensn.By cutting them it will worsen our cap situation
3. Re-sign Kendel.Mont, Golston and Hall
4. Draft from what we have in our hand rather these hypothitical choices.
5. With 13 pick draft(OL like Monre, Andre Smith,etc) or trade only if we get 2 nd, and still can address our OL.Make sure dont depart any of our 2010 draft picks
6. Sign F.A Like
a. Suggs OLB/D.E
b. Hoshmanzadeh WR(Bengals)
c. Engram WR(Seatle)
d. May be One OG
Now Plug these players,you will agree we are not in a bad situation.

Theres no way this team is getting housh and suggs and engram. what type of plan is this. spend more money improving our wrs. the rookies will grow and be more productive this year were fine at wr. we need to rework the interior of our lines which is a RT both G's mainly a new C, a new DT and a new DE. Why are people so rigid on keeping springs. Cut him and Taylor and we have 16 Million of cap space. Keep them and we have two aging players who aren't going to be producing at a level that were paying them for.

People really need to have a nice long look at a draft value chart before posting trades that make no sense. If you move back from 13 to 20 in the first round you get a late second round pick. There have been teams that moved back one and two picks in the first round and recieved a second round pick as compensation. That is all.


Whats with all the whinning..This isnt Junior ALL American guys...
"You gotta know when to hold em., And Know when to hold um kids

1st round #13 =1150 points
1st round #20= 850 points

PLUS

3rd round #65= 265 points

You do the math.....the best youre going to get is an additional 6th worth
25 points.....Thats more than fair as trades go...Plus we are talking about Vinny and Dan come on.......

1st round #13 =1150 points
1st round #20= 850 points

PLUS

3rd round #65= 265 points

You do the math.....the best youre going to get is an additional 6th worth
25 points.....Thats more than fair as trades go...Plus we are talking about Vinny and Dan come on.......

I did the math. The problem with this post is that you actually didn't. Somebody mentioned a trade that moved us back seven picks to #20 and netted us the #80 overall pick in the third round. The numbers didn't add up was my point. I said the value would be a late second round pick and the chart says #60 would be equal value. Teams that trade up in the draft usually have to pay greater value than the chart indicates even if they are dealing with an idiot like Vinny so you are looking at giving us a mid to late second round pick if you wanted to move from 20 up to 13 in the first round. Not a mid third rounder at #80 was my original point and not #65 and a 6th rounder which was your value of the pick which was an undervaluation as well.

I did the math. The problem with this post is that you actually didn't. Somebody mentioned a trade that moved us back seven picks to #20 and netted us the #80 overall pick in the third round. The numbers didn't add up was my point. I said the value would be a late second round pick and the chart says #60 would be equal value. Teams that trade up in the draft usually have to pay greater value than the chart indicates even if they are dealing with an idiot like Vinny so you are looking at giving us a mid to late second round pick if you wanted to move from 20 up to 13 in the first round. Not a mid third rounder at #80 was my original point and not #65 and a 6th rounder which was your value of the pick which was an undervaluation as well.A lot of successful teams do think that the popular chart is outdated, and very much overvalues the higher end picks. Obviously, no one wants those higher end picks, and that's why you don't have any top ten trades anymore.

I can't think of any draft day trade in the last four years in which the team trading up paid a higher premium than the outdated chart suggested. The very last trade that did that I can remember was the Manning-Rivers trade from 2004. Not a single pick in the top five has been dealt since then, so I'm guessing the Jimmy Johnson chart will be totally revised within two years.

Or they will cap the slot payouts and we'll have to come up with an entirely new system for valuing picks altogether.

Bottom line: I don't see any issue with chicken monkey's trade in terms of value for either side. Whether or not it actually makes sense for the Redskins is an entirely separate issue.

This sounds reasonable. Unlike some of the other posts, it can actually be done. All we need is a little luck and a few fish have to bite. It's still a 10-6 season at best. I think we'll need to keep drafting the lines for a couple of years, with a flash position for need here and there, before we can get up to speed.


I love your plan an agree that trading Moss and Rogers is a good idea. However, I would keep the 13th overall pick and draft Maualuga. Special players don't come around often and this guy has all the tools as well as the pedigree and the experience of leading the nations top ranked defense! Other than that, draft the trenches or trade for future picks when the right lineman isn't there.

Theres no way this team is getting housh and suggs and engram. what type of plan is this. spend more money improving our wrs. the rookies will grow and be more productive this year were fine at wr. we need to rework the interior of our lines which is a RT both G's mainly a new C, a new DT and a new DE. Why are people so rigid on keeping springs. Cut him and Taylor and we have 16 Million of cap space. Keep them and we have two aging players who aren't going to be producing at a level that were paying them for.

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Theres no way this team is getting housh and suggs and engram. what type of plan is this. spend more money improving our wrs. the rookies will grow and be more productive this year were fine at wr. we need to rework the interior of our lines which is a RT both G's mainly a new C, a new DT and a new DE. Why are people so rigid on keeping springs. Cut him and Taylor and we have 16 Million of cap space. Keep them and we have two aging players who aren't going to be producing at a level that were paying them for.

Well,plan is for sure not to create any salary cap situation,but also not to loss Moss and give him help with either Hosh and/or Engram on the other side,get rid of fair catch ARE and Thrash. Now we have Moss,Engram/Hosh,Kelly Thomas.Let the rookies develop, because Iam sure Zorn will not go this season with a possibility of these rookies will play up to a par.And Engram Knows this system and what I heard he will come not too expensive.Also I think it will help J.C develop really fast.As far as Ol ,by taking OT with a 13th pick they will address that. You just cannot adress all the needs in just one drafts.Now we have

Samual- Thomas-Rabach- Kendell- Draft O.T(13th)
Heyer- Reinhart- draft(C) -OG(FA)-Jon jensen-draft(3rd round)

I also said that Cap friendly salary with the above players not at any cost, so I agree if Spring does not bring his salary down so cut him,its fine with me.I also think that Rdskins will Go for Suggs Or Pepper when everything thing says and done.

Looks like the Skins are not very active yet. The only thing they have done is sign a kicker and a punter.

what punter and kicker?

Looks like the Skins are not very active yet. The only thing they have done is sign a kicker and a punter.

free agency doesn't begin until the 27th I believe, so you won't really see anything important happen until at least then