The Grand New Party

I guess the point I was trying to make in the other thread is I just don't see the big legisltive push for the religious right agenda. I hear it talked about but just don't see that it controls the party. Its the same thing on the left. You hear all the tree hughing nuts but you just don't see a hugh push to their agenda. Nice ,, LOL !!!

Let's define fiscal conservatism and limited government. With respect to social institutions what does that mean? What current government institution/agencies get cut?

WOW, where to start.

Dept of Ed gone

Department of Defense, restored to a self - defense posture
Army -Reserves only, 2yr compulsory service, with a Officer Corp maintained.
Air Force and Navy Funded, but for defense of borders and trade only
NASA gone (privatized)

Dept. of Health and Human Services gone

Dept of State, fully funded

Department of Justice, funded for Judicial Branch requirements.

Department of the Treasury funded for printing money, and protecting American currency from fraud

Department of Housing and Urban Development gone

Department of Transportation, funded as necessary for maintain interstate commerce.

Department of Interior, probably subsumed mostly gone

Department of Agriculture, Fully funded, perhaps put food assistance to the poor here.

Department of Commerce funded for appropriate regulatory agencies

Department of Labor fully funded

Department of Energy fully funded

Department of Homeland Security gone (goodby big brother)

Department of Veterans Affairs placed under DOD.

I suppose thats a start, most anything that creates a dependency on the federal government, rather than a reliance on self, family and local community, ought to be out and out eliminated. And before anyone cries how awful, and cruel. Remember the federal government does not create money out of thin air(if they do we are in serious trouble.) If our government's payroll was reduced, more could go to individuals/local communities/charities and state governments in order to handle the needs of the local community and people.

Also, this is a pipe dream, I know it will NEVER happen, and if it did, it would be so painful as to be apocalyptic in nature. But our Federal government was established to maintain a framework in which the States, unique and distinct could take care of their own needs. We are now much closer to the England of King George, than we are of the United (but individual) States of America.

WOW, where to start.

Dept of Ed gone

Department of Defense, restored to a self - defense posture
Army -Reserves only, 2yr compulsory service, with a Officer Corp maintained.
Air Force and Navy Funded, but for defense of borders and trade only
NASA gone (privatized)

Dept. of Health and Human Services gone

Dept of State, fully funded

Department of Justice, funded for Judicial Branch requirements.

Department of the Treasury funded for printing money, and protecting American currency from fraud

Department of Housing and Urban Development gone

Department of Transportation, funded as necessary for maintain interstate commerce.

Department of Interior, probably subsumed mostly gone

Department of Agriculture, Fully funded, perhaps put food assistance to the poor here.

Department of Commerce funded for appropriate regulatory agencies

Department of Labor fully funded

Department of Energy fully funded

Department of Homeland Security gone (goodby big brother)

Department of Veterans Affairs placed under DOD.

I suppose thats a start, most anything that creates a dependency on the federal government, rather than a reliance on self, family and local community, ought to be out and out eliminated. And before anyone cries how awful, and cruel. Remember the federal government does not create money out of thin air(if they do we are in serious trouble.) If our government's payroll was reduced, more could go to individuals/local communities/charities and state governments in order to handle the needs of the local community and people.

Also, this is a pipe dream, I know it will NEVER happen, and if it did, it would be so painful as to be apocalyptic in nature. But our Federal government was established to maintain a framework in which the States, unique and distinct could take care of their own needs. We are now much closer to the England of King George, than we are of the United (but individual) States of America.

Now that's Conservativism. Why is it that when someone says conservative people think of Bibles, abortion, or homosexual special interest?

IMO it will be real difficult to have a third party because a split in the GOP and a fiscal conservative/socially moderate party won't pull many Dems. It would just solidify the Dems control on the government and guarantee expanded gov't, higher taxes and liberal social engineering.

The social conservatives need to wake up and let the GOP frame the gay marriage/abortion/other social issues as a "state's rights" issue vs. a gay/straight or abortion/anti-abortion issue. The "what works in Kansas doesn't work in CA" is an argument I think most people get. This would allow the GOP to seem more interested in the reduction of the size & scope of the federal government rather than in pushing their moral beliefs on others. That stance should attract independents and moderates. The social conservatives need to understand if we don't get fiscal control of the government within the next election cycle, a 6-8 year span of a Dem President and Dem Congress will do irreperable harm to the country fiscally. It also won't matter what social issue they social conservatives have, the districts and census will be so gerry-mandered the GOP will be a minority party for 50+ years and they won't have a snowballs chance of getting any ground on their agenda.

Put fiscal responsibility first and find candidates that don't have skeletons in closets or are sold out to special interests. Fight the social issues at the state and local level and make the Dems/liberals appear to be the ones trying to force their agenda down everyone's throat at the federal level.

I thought by law they were State's Rights issues because the Constitution doesn't cover reproduction or sodomy. Why is abortion or homosexuals issues anyway?

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I thought by law they were State's Rights issues because the Constitution doesn't cover reproduction or sodomy. Why is abortion or homosexuals issues anyway?
That's what I thought too. What the issues are should be decided by the courts if conflicts between states or constitutionality arise.

When the other side has the ball, you wait for them to fumble. The Democrats didn't get back on top through arduous debate and self reflection. They did it by waiting, and waiting, and waiting until Conservative Republicanism shot itself in the foot. Hell, the reason Conservatism was so strong since 1978 was because the Liberal Democrats themselves ran out of gas. It's a pendulum. So there is nothing to do now but wait. The Dems have the ball, let's see what they do with it.

Now that's Conservativism. Why is it that when someone says conservative people think of Bibles, abortion, or homosexual special interest?

I was conservatively drunk the day my mom got out of the abortion clinic, and I went to pick her bible up in the RAIN. But before I could get to the bible emporium, she got runned over by a homosexual train.....
--New age Conservative David Allen Coe

Now that's Conservativism. Why is it that when someone says conservative people think of Bibles, abortion, or homosexual special interest?

Holy smokes this has been my point. And I agree a lot with the principles stated there.

There are a initiatives that Obama and the Dems are pushing through that will raise energy costs and hurt U.S. industry. I also believe a new version of Kyoto is being negotiated or will be soon and the President is all for it. All this pushed heavily by the environmental lobby. There is also a video mentioned on the front page of Fox News today, All About Stuff I think it was, it's basically a 20 minute rant on how bad the U.S. is for the environment (using a bunch of bogus statistics, as usual) and this is being shown in schools throughout the country. Don't underestimate the power of the environmental lobby (Dark Side).

Lobbyists ruin governments regardless of which side they're on. It's quite a shame that the people that make such key decisions often have no knowledge on them and rely on what somebody who swoons them feeds.