5 Ala. officers fired for beating caught on tape

there is no way in hell i want ANY American tortured. that's one of the biggest reasons im against it. that, and trying to uphold the stature of our country being a leader, not a follower. which usually means doing the right thing. if the Bush administration felt it was the right thing, then so be it. but if Mr. Obama is against it, then make sure everyone knows how he stands. no need to go thru all of this bull crap in the media

I not for or against it, but I have no problem with what happened to that guy.

those cops that finally caught up with him weren't looking for any answers. they were pissed. and standing up for one of their own. if that guy had shot a family member, how would you have handled it?

You know what? It doesn't matter how I or any other NON-police officer would have handled those situations. Police are supposed to SET THE EXAMPLE & not allow their emotions to take control of them. I don't care if the guy ran over a dozen cops, they are not supposed to react by beating someone who is already prone. That is not part of their training. They are supposed to be better then that, not stoop to the criminals' level & act like thugs with badges.

You know what? It doesn't matter how I or any other NON-police officer would have handled those situations. Police are supposed to SET THE EXAMPLE & not allow their emotions to take control of them. I don't care if the guy ran over a dozen cops, they are not supposed to react by beating someone who is already prone. That is not part of their training. They are supposed to be better then that, not stoop to the criminals' level & act like thugs with badges.

You don't know what it's like to be them. Don't try to demonize them cause you had a bad experience. Police do a GREAT job 99%+ of the time, even if you don't agree with what happened, you shouldn't lump all the police together due to your own biast opinion.
Tell you what, go sit down with a few off duty cops and have them tell you some stories of what they go through on a daily basis and how they always hold their temper. Listen really close to their stories. They are amazing people to put up with what they put up with. So if occasionally there is some moron that tries to run down cops, or put their life in jeapordy, I will certainly look the other way and give them the benefit of the doubt.
I certainly hope no one holds you to your lofty standards for the police, you will fail my friend.

You know what? It doesn't matter how I or any other NON-police officer would have handled those situations. Police are supposed to SET THE EXAMPLE & not allow their emotions to take control of them. I don't care if the guy ran over a dozen cops, they are not supposed to react by beating someone who is already prone. That is not part of their training. They are supposed to be better then that, not stoop to the criminals' level & act like thugs with badges.

I agree well said.

You don't know what it's like to be them. Don't try to demonize them cause you had a bad experience. Police do a GREAT job 99%+ of the time, even if you don't agree with what happened, you shouldn't lump all the police together due to your own biast opinion.
Tell you what, go sit down with a few off duty cops and have them tell you some stories of what they go through on a daily basis and how they always hold their temper. Listen really close to their stories. They are amazing people to put up with what they put up with. So if occasionally there is some moron that tries to run down cops, or put their life in jeapordy, I will certainly look the other way and give them the benefit of the doubt.
I certainly hope no one holds you to your lofty standards for the police, you will fail my friend.
I like how you tell him not to demonize them, which I would generally agree, but then go on to the other extreme and make them near perfect.
Cops are people, some are downright bad, some are virtuous, but most are in the middle, doing their job, trying to do the best they can and not get downsized. If they see a buddy who needs a look the other way moment - a lot will look the other way. If their authority is challenged, all will respond, some will over react and abuse their power.

I like that you say to sit down with some off duty cops, good advice for someone who thinks all are abusive, power hungry men and women. They aren't.

I would tell someone like you, who throws out the 99%+ stat, to go look at all the cops who have gone over the deep end, look at the stats for police abuse and the frequency with which a slap on the wrist or no punishment at all occurs. and just as true, look at the number of cases of police being fired or going to jail for their abuses.

A person in authority should always be held to the highest standard. And when someone seeks out a profession that puts them in daily contact with the "worst" of society, and with the troubled, and dangerous, it is all the more reason to call them to task if they fail. No one said a good cop is an easy job, it may be one of the very hardest, but being a bad cop can be a very easy role to fall into.

You don't know what it's like to be them. Don't try to demonize them cause you had a bad experience. Police do a GREAT job 99%+ of the time, even if you don't agree with what happened, you shouldn't lump all the police together due to your own biast opinion.
Tell you what, go sit down with a few off duty cops and have them tell you some stories of what they go through on a daily basis and how they always hold their temper. Listen really close to their stories. They are amazing people to put up with what they put up with. So if occasionally there is some moron that tries to run down cops, or put their life in jeapordy, I will certainly look the other way and give them the benefit of the doubt.
I certainly hope no one holds you to your lofty standards for the police, you will fail my friend.

Let me first start by exclaiming that ONE bad experience wouldn't make me feel that way. But just about EVERY experience I have had, just about every experience some of my friends have had, we have all been abused by a creep with a badge. And here's one even better. A very good friend of mine married a cop...a great guy, wonderful husband, probably a great dad, too. He has told me stories. Guess what. He would even tell me stories of HIM abusing his power.

As I said earlier, it could be as simple as changing lanes without signaling. Let me do something like that & they'll pull me out of the car & have me doing drunk tests. I have been robbed & the cop that arrived an hour & a half later tells me that there's nothing he could do for me because it's been raining. "Sorry, Bud." and jets. I'm supposed to believe, after 99% of my experiences with random officers have started AND ended badly, that 99% of them are on the up & up? You must be out of your f'in' mind.

I'm happy that every time a cop pulls you over, he doesn't bring 12 of his buddies with him to ask you the same frikkin questions over & over again for seemingly no reason OTHER than they're bored. Or for that matter, have them approach your car with his gun drawn & in your face without cause. I've had a friend put in the hospital for over a month by cops looking for someone to take their aggressions out on...& often times, they find some poor guy who doesn't have money or power of influence that they can abuse & do so readily. Every once in a while, someone with a camera phone or a video camera or idiot cops who forget about their dashcam catches these assholes doing just that. Abusing someone who could not fight back.

I'm sure it's nothing for you to think that the cops were in the right for beating a prone individual because he ran over another cop. To me, that makes them thugs. I've seen gang members do the exact same thing. but that was a crime, because they didn't have badges, right? Like I said, F*** the police. They are supposed to respond with restraint & be better then the thugs they put away, not act just like them. If the guy gets out of his car & starts shooting at them, fine, gun him down. That's self defense. That is what they are trained to do. IF they had shot the man thru his windshield while he was driving after he had run one of them down, I'm fine with that too. That's self defense. They didn't do that. The man is laying prone face down on the ground. This is when their training should kick in & they should either handcuff him & put him in the back of a squad car, or, God forbid, they call an ambulance & have him shipped to the nearest hospital under guard & then handcuff him when he can leave the hospital.

People who turn a blind eye & deaf ear to cops abusing their powers because someone "threatens" them is the reason cops get away with so much abuse. Try being at the end of that a few times, realizing that no matter what you do or say, you are POWERLESS against them. They can do whatever they want. Why? Because they are cops & even if they abuse you on camera, well they can just make up some bullshit story as to why they did it & guess what...people like you will believe whatever the cops say. They can't possibly be lying. They're cops...! :yeahright

If a military faction goes into a town in Iraq & rapes & murders an entire village in the name of the USA, it's a tragedy, but a cop, whose life isn't in NEARLY the danger a soldiers is, is justified for beating someone to near death because "his job is dangerous?" That's bullshit & you know it. Like I said, try having a cop abuse you a few times just because he can, like I & several of my friends, & your tune will change.

I'm sure, since you are such a supporter of the police, that nothing I've said even phases you. I'm sure you don't believe anything I've said. I don't really care to be honest. What I do really care about is this blind faith in someone simply because they have a badge. It just boggles my mind. As if the shine off the badge puts you in a trance or something & you are thereafter brainwashed-"All cops are good. Their job is dangerous. Support your local troopers."-in a typical hypnotic voice.

I don't take away the fact that their jobs are dangerous. That doesn't give them the right to abuse people whenever THEY feel it's ok. Despite your unfathomable belief in them, they are not above the law...& far too many of them get away with being just that. And quite frankly, it's sickening the way society lets them get away with so much. Being on the side of the abused gives me a whole different perspective & I could honestly care less how dangerous their jobs are. I have NEVER ONCE given a cop any reason to point his gun or wave his billy club at me & yet, they do it anyway. It's happened in this state, it's happened in other states. It's happened in the District. But, because YOU think that all cops are good people & upstanding citizens, I'm just supposed to put my bad experiences on the back burner & accept that their jobs are dangerous & so therefore, if they beat one guy who ran over one of their own, it's ok...? Yeah, sorry. They KNEW what they did was wrong which is why this video took so long to come out. That's WHY they were fired, & rightly so. They are TRAINED to respond differently & they took their own justice, which is AGAINST THE LAW, PERIOD! Regardless of what ANYONE thinks...including the cops themselves.


I apologize for my rant, but it just really gets under my skin when someone trivializes any kind of abuse by the police & using "their jobs are dangerous" as an excuse to allow them to continue to get away with it. Especially when I, myself, & so many people around me have suffered at the hands of these pricks simply because they have a badge & a gun & an attitude problem...& a willing public who will fall in line behind them, no matter what they say or do. :doh:

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I like how you tell him not to demonize them, which I would generally agree, but then go on to the other extreme and make them near perfect.
Cops are people, some are downright bad, some are virtuous, but most are in the middle, doing their job, trying to do the best they can and not get downsized. If they see a buddy who needs a look the other way moment - a lot will look the other way. If their authority is challenged, all will respond, some will over react and abuse their power.

I like that you say to sit down with some off duty cops, good advice for someone who thinks all are abusive, power hungry men and women. They aren't.

I would tell someone like you, who throws out the 99%+ stat, to go look at all the cops who have gone over the deep end, look at the stats for police abuse and the frequency with which a slap on the wrist or no punishment at all occurs. and just as true, look at the number of cases of police being fired or going to jail for their abuses.

A person in authority should always be held to the highest standard. And when someone seeks out a profession that puts them in daily contact with the "worst" of society, and with the troubled, and dangerous, it is all the more reason to call them to task if they fail. No one said a good cop is an easy job, it may be one of the very hardest, but being a bad cop can be a very easy role to fall into.



Well said. I, unfortunately, do not share the views of those that think that even 1/2 of our police forces are good anymore. Just because I haven't shared my every experience with the police doesn't mean that I HAVEN'T had lengthy conversations with on or off duty cops. I have. On several occasions, under different circumstances.

I didn't used to feel this way, but terrible experience after another has led me down this road. I used to feel that most cops were good. But even after talking to several, & then mine & my friends' experiences, one right after another, have shown me otherwise. It's just the way it is. It's like I said earlier. Look at your boss. Look at his/her boss. Go higher. Everyone in a position of power abuses it somehow. The police are NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, the exception to this. Not even close. Regardless of what society wants to believe.

It's easier to believe they are all good. How else can you teach your children to find a cop if they need one? I can tell you, I for one, won't do any such thing. I don't trust them anymore, haven't for years, & I will NEVER tell my kids to find a cop for help. I'll tell them to run to a neighbor or a friend first...
"cop is your absolute LAST resort. When all else fails, THEN you find a cop. Make sure you mind your "P's & Q's" first, to avoid getting beat down in the name of the law, though."

For all those looking for a good way to explain the Theory of Relativity, look no further than this thread.

The guy was ejected from his car and is on the ground unconscious and these cops start beating on him? Those cops are just straight up cowards and deserved to be canned.

I respect cops and I even live next to a cop so I have no problem with the police. I do have problems though with cops assaulting a unconscious man.