republicans, is this helping, or hurting your party

It never was a valid reason. A serious concern yes. But I think you have to downplay the seriousness of the late-term abortion to arrive at your conclusion. You previously compared life threatening propositions to postpartum depression; as serious a form as it comes, but still not quite the same thing nor the same reasoning.

I'm not trying to downplay anything here, but I think you need to re-assess.

If you are being serious you have failed miserably...totally...it's a disaster! I am neither downplaying nor up-playing anything but I do believe late term abortion due to mental illness is valid medical reason not because "I think it is" but because doctors think it is. You seem comfortable accusing me of downplaying late term abortion and yet even more comfortable dismissing its validity entirely for mental heath reasons. What exactly is the basis for your conclusion or are you simply relying on your morality?

This is terrible stuff man, really, and not well thought out. What if the mother is so f*cked up she commits suicide or wants to abort her own baby at home? Do you intend to lock suicidal pregnant women up in mental institutions or in jails?

If you are being serious you have failed miserably...totally...it's a disaster! I am neither downplaying or up-playing anything but I do believe late term abortion is valid medical reason not because "I think it is" but because doctors think it is. You seem comfortable accusing me of downplaying late term abortion and yet even more comfortable dismissing validity entirely for mental heath reasons. What exactly is the basis for your conclusion or are you simply relying on your morality?

This is terrible stuff man, really, and not well thought out. What if the mother is so f*cked up she commits suicide or wants to abort her own baby at home? Do you intend to lock suicidal pregnant women up in mental institutions or in jails?
If doctors find its such an important issue then why is there only 2 left that still provide this much need procedure? Also your own link does not say the treatment for depression is late term abortion.


What is the treatment for depression during pregnancy?
If you feel you may be struggling with depression, the most important thing is to seek help. Talk with your health care provider about your symptoms and struggles. Your health care provider wants the healthiest choice for you and your baby and may discuss options with you for treatment. Treatment options for women who are pregnant can include:

Support groups
Private psychotherapy
Medication
Light therapy
If your symptoms are severe, your health care provider may want to prescribe medication immediately. There are medications that have been used during pregnancy without adverse affects. Discuss with your health care provider what he/she feels is safest for your baby but still beneficial to you.

If you do not feel comfortable talking with your health care provider about your feelings of depression, find someone else to talk with. The most important thing is that someone knows what you are dealing with and can try to help you. Never try to face depression alone. Your baby needs you to seek help and get treatment.

Last Updated: 10/2008

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If doctors find its such an important issue then why is there only 2 left that still provide this much need procedure? Also your own link does not say the treatment for depression is late term abortion.


What is the treatment for depression during pregnancy?
If you feel you may be struggling with depression, the most important thing is to seek help. Talk with your health care provider about your symptoms and struggles. Your health care provider wants the healthiest choice for you and your baby and may discuss options with you for treatment. Treatment options for women who are pregnant can include:

Support groups
Private psychotherapy
Medication
Light therapy
If your symptoms are severe, your health care provider may want to prescribe medication immediately. There are medications that have been used during pregnancy without adverse affects. Discuss with your health care provider what he/she feels is safest for your baby but still beneficial to you.

If you do not feel comfortable talking with your health care provider about your feelings of depression, find someone else to talk with. The most important thing is that someone knows what you are dealing with and can try to help you. Never try to face depression alone. Your baby needs you to seek help and get treatment.

Last Updated: 10/2008

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Everything is black and white.

I love how when don't know how to answer something you come back with a comment like that.

It's a perfect response requiring little explanation. Why waste time seeing how you think depression is always treatable via non-abortion means? Abortion can be the treatment, this is obvious to me.

It's a perfect response requiring little explanation. Why waste time seeing how you think depression is always treatable via non-abortion means? Abortion can be the treatment, this is obvious to me.
So now your saying your link you gave to back your point is now wrong or you just figured out it does not support how you feel on the issue? Heck, I was even going to find a link that supported your arguement and when I typed in abortion and derpession all I got was sites that talked about depression after an abortion.

So now your saying your link you gave to back your point is now wrong or you just figured out it does not support how you feel on the issue? Heck, I was even going to find a link that supported your arguement and when I typed in abortion and derpession all I got was sites that talked about depression after an abortion.

The site says seek help and get treatment. It also says this:

There are medications that have been used during pregnancy without adverse affects. Discuss with your health care provider what he/she feels is safest for your baby but still beneficial to you.

Quote from your Link:
There are medications that have been used during pregnancy without adverse affects. Discuss with your health care provider what he/she feels is safest for your baby but still beneficial to you.

I don't think the safest thing for the baby would be an abotion but you did not highlight that part.

It's a perfect response requiring little explanation. Why waste time seeing how you think depression is always treatable via non-abortion means? Abortion can be the treatment, this is obvious to me.Ah yes....I'm feeling overweight and depressed, plus I'm not ready to take care of a child. I couldn't figure this out in the first or second tri-mester. So I know, I'll have a late term abortionist stick a needle into my 22+ week old babies heart to kill it with drugs, induce labor, and leave the dead baby....I feel much better now.

I'm sure that won't have any adverse effects on a young woman's mental health....not to mention the baby's.

What I find confusing is that you will defend the rights of terrorists (adult murderers) so they aren't confined unjustly or waterboarded (not executed), but yet find every excuse to defend the actions of an abortionist who has performed well over 1,000 late term abortions on viable fetuses (babies) when the mother's life was NOT at risk. I think your moral compass is a bit off or you're unwilling to concede a point that is counter to your liberal ideology or you're just trying to get a rise out of your conservative counterparts

Ah yes....I'm feeling overweight and depressed, plus I'm not ready to take care of a child. I couldn't figure this out in the first or second tri-mester. So I know, I'll have a late term abortionist stick a needle into my 22+ week old babies heart to kill it with drugs, induce labor, and leave the dead baby....I feel much better now.

I'm sure that won't have any adverse effects on a young woman's mental health....not to mention the baby's.

What I find confusing is that you will defend the rights of terrorists (adult murderers) so they aren't confined unjustly or waterboarded (not executed), but yet find every excuse to defend the actions of an abortionist who has performed well over 1,000 late term abortions on viable fetuses (babies) when the mother's life was NOT at risk. I think your moral compass is a bit off or you're unwilling to concede a point that is counter to your liberal ideology or you're just trying to get a rise out of your conservative counterparts

Your confusion is self-inflected for I am rational and capable of articulating my position clearly. We always have options but the question is whether we choose the right option. As I have stated clearly on many occasions I oppose torture because there are other options and the fact that it is against the law. Similarly, I oppose late term abortions when the woman's life is not at risk due to physically or mentally ailment and if it was against the law I would oppose the practice. This is where the court of law comes into play. Furthermore, I have no problem with trying and putting to death terrorist who are found guilty in the court of law.

Yes, it's all that simple folks and if you take a moment to think it all through I am confidant you will see the consistency of my arguments.