Guard at Holocaust Museum Killed by Alleged White Supremacist

The few times I've been to that museum I remember security being pretty tight. How did this nutjob get in with a gun?

If they don't have metal detectors it would be pretty easy. Even with them you could still run in and start shooting before anyone has any time to react.

I think they do have metal detectors, I could be wrong though.

Apparently he started shooting before reaching the metal detectors:


Washington, D.C. Police Chief Kathy Lanier said the gunman appeared to have acted alone. He was "engaged by security guards immediately after entering the door" with a rifle, she said, but "the second he stepped into the building he began firing." The suspect reportedly did not attempt to conceal his weapon and began shooting before reaching the museum's metal detectors.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/10/national/main5077874.shtml

Apparently he started shooting before reaching the metal detectors:


Washington, D.C. Police Chief Kathy Lanier said the gunman appeared to have acted alone. He was "engaged by security guards immediately after entering the door" with a rifle, she said, but "the second he stepped into the building he began firing." The suspect reportedly did not attempt to conceal his weapon and began shooting before reaching the museum's metal detectors.

Guard Killed In Holocaust Museum Shooting - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/10/national/main5077874.shtml)
Like I said metal detectors will only do so much and if someone has their mind made up they want to kill there is not much that can be done to stop them.

What does that mean?

It means more guys like this are going to come out of the woodworks.

It means more guys like this are going to come out of the woodworks.
I knew thats what you where saying but why do you feel this way? Is it because of all the hate for the jews that the Rev. Wright preaches about all the time? Just read the first paragraph.

Rev. Wright Says 'Them Jews' Won't Let Obama Talk to Him - Political News - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/10/wright-suggests-jews-white-house-wont-let-speak-obama/)

I knew thats what you where saying but why do you feel this way?

Because right wing nut jobs are better armed then left wing nut jobs.

Essentially, the right wing guys recruit and attract ex-military types while the left wing guys get the tech savvy types who just f* the world's computers.
Homeland Security Warns of Rise in Right-Wing Extremism - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/14/homeland-security-warns-rise-right-wing-extremism/)


This is from a 2001 publication but contains some interesting info:

"Leftist extremists were responsible for three-fourths of the officially
designated acts of terrorism in America in the 1980s. From an international perspective, of the 13,858 people who died between 1988 and 1998 in attacks committed by the 10 most active terrorist groups in the world, 74 percent were killed by leftist organizations."
http://fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf

Violence for extremism is not owned by any particular ideology.

Because right wing nut jobs are better armed then left wing nut jobs.

Essentially, the right wing guys recruit and attract ex-military types while the left wing guys get the tech savvy types who just f* the world's computers.
Homeland Security Warns of Rise in Right-Wing Extremism - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/14/homeland-security-warns-rise-right-wing-extremism/)


This is from a 2001 publication but contains some interesting info:

"Leftist extremists were responsible for three-fourths of the officially
designated acts of terrorism in America in the 1980s. From an international perspective, of the 13,858 people who died between 1988 and 1998 in attacks committed by the 10 most active terrorist groups in the world, 74 percent were killed by leftist organizations."
http://fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf

Violence for extremism is not owned by any particular ideology.
Have you ever watched the news when they have one of those national labor talks and all those left winngers are tearing up the city hoasting the event?

I was reading this guy's website and to attach any political tag to him would be inappropriate. He was just paranoid schizophrinic. All the Conservatives I know are quite sympathetic towards Jews. In fact you were more likely to hear the anti-semitic stuff from the anti-war movement in the last ten years than you were from the right. It was common to hear them talk about how the neo-cons had hijacked the Bush presidency, etc. Chris Matthews used to recite the names of all the Jews in the Bush Administration (Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith) and then ask rhetorically of some guest, "Aren't these the guys that are really in charge?"

I grew up in the evangelical sub-culture and anti-semitism was not present. Anti-Catholic bigotry was not uncommon but the Jews were viewed as "the chosen people". The holocaust was seen as proof of this. Catholics, in my experience, take quite a different view of the Jews. There's a definite, "They killed our Lord" mentality. This is what you see with Matthews and Pat Buchanan. My point is that Jew hating is pervasive and is not specific to any political movement. It's all around.

I was reading this guy's website and to attach any political tag to him would be inappropriate. He was just paranoid schizophrinic. All the Conservatives I know are quite sympathetic towards Jews. In fact you were more likely to hear the anti-semitic stuff from the anti-war movement in the last ten years than you were from the right. It was common to hear them talk about how the neo-cons had hijacked the Bush presidency, etc. Chris Matthews used to recite the names of all the Jews in the Bush Administration (Scooter Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith) and then ask rhetorically of some guest, "Aren't these the guys that are really in charge?"

I grew up in the evangelical sub-culture and anti-semitism was not present. Anti-Catholic bigotry was not uncommon but the Jews were viewed as "the chosen people". The holocaust was seen as proof of this. Catholics, in my experience, take quite a different view of the Jews. There's a definite, "They killed our Lord" mentality. This is what you see with Matthews and Pat Buchanan. My point is that Jew hating is pervasive and is not specific to any political movement. It's all around.

You make it all sound so nefarious. It's not like those guys didn't earn their scumbag badges. One got a presidential pardon due to a federal conviction, another got fired twice due to incompetence and lack of ethics, and the third cooked books to such an extent that the pentagon commissioned a report on his misconduct.

Also, it is helpful to point out that this guys could have just as easily targeted a black church. Jews were among many of a long list of people to hate. I'm not going to speculate on his ideology but I have a very hard time believing that this man would vote for anyone that has the support of 90% of blacks and 70% of Jews and might take his guns away. It simply doesn't make sense not that I would expect this guy to be sensible at all.