2004 draft will last 11/2 hours for us this year!

I can see there being a hidden gem among the DTs, maybe Haley, but who's there to like at DE? We've got no one except Wynn and Upshaw. I think we need Udeze.

I am still all for signing Taylor, Ohalete doesn't do it for me, I think with a combo of Springs, Smoot, and Taylor in the back and a combo of Trotter, Washington, and Arrignton we will have recievers scared to go anywhere on the field

I am still all for signing Taylor, Ohalete doesn't do it for me, I think with a combo of Springs, Smoot, and Taylor in the back and a combo of Trotter, Washington, and Arrignton we will have recievers scared to go anywhere on the field



Taylor is going to start and make an impact where ever he goes. He'll be like a 6'3" Brian Dawkins. With his ability to fly around the field and come up for run support, I think he'd fit well into a Redskins uniform. And we could certainly use a safety to cover over the top like that, especially now that Baileys gone. You never know who they'll pick on draft day, I have a feeling they might look nab a reciever. I also wouldnt mind getting Wilfork, he had a great workout for the scouts.

MY head says they'll trade down, but my heart says Taylor. I remember when we had Alvin Walton - the guy hit like a train. Like Attwater and Lott, that kind of player can make up for a deficiency elsewhere. And if we pick up a DE in FA, then we have less to worry about.

I've noticed almost everyone on this site stating fears about our defense as it stands right now, but correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Greg Williams' defense finish in the top 5 or 10 last year and the only above average players I know about having been on that team were Takeo Spikes, Sam Adams, Lawyer Milloy, and A. Winfield. His system is able to get average players to become above average (for example Aaron Schobel.) Can anyone hear say w/o a shadow of a doubt that Marvin Lewis had better players, with the exception of Bailey, when he was here or Ray Rhodes? This year, for the first time in a long time, we actually have coaches on both offense and defense who know what they are doing. I think we'll be fine once we make a couple veteran additions after the June 1st cut date and although I honestly see us trading down in the draft, one draft idea that I like that hasn't been mentioned as far as I know is to draft Roy Williams of Texas. Can anyone say he wouldn't be an upgrade over if not Gardner atleast Mccants? We could have a Kansas City-like offense and I believe williams can coach up atleast a top 10 defense. How scary and awesome would that be?

I feel pretty comfortable with the offense. Gardner is the only weak link that I see, but McCants and perhaps even Jacobs could step up and give good production there. However, on the defensive side, I'm still a little concerned about the lack of a pass rush. I know that Williams has talked about both strong and weak-side linebackers providing extra pass-rush capabilities, but I think the defense improves a lot if you also have a DE applying pressure on the QB. So, if it were up to me, I'd look to trade down for mid first and second round picks. Then I'd look to draft Udeze at DE, and then either Sanders or Schweigart at safety. Although neither Sanders or Schweigart is Sean Taylor, both are quality safties. Furthermore, once you put either of them together with Udeze, I think you help out your defense more than just Taylor would.

--Phinehas

but correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Greg Williams' defense finish in the top 5 or 10 last year and the only above average players I know about having been on that team were Takeo Spikes, Sam Adams, Lawyer Milloy, and A. Winfield.

Those 4 plus London Fletcher who is a damn good linebacker as well. Williams did a fine job at making that D work, but don't kid yourself...anytime you have 5 "borderline" pro bowlers on the field, it is hard to say that there wasn't an abundance of talent.

Now that the Redskins have spent almost all of their cap money, and not addressed the safety position, (in my opinion) there is a strong chance they may have tipped their hand that S Taylor will be their pick. Trading down and getting a D-lineman is very tempting, but the fact that there is no legitmate safety backup is a big problem.
Todd Franz and Andre Lott can not be counted on if there were a season ending injury to Ohalete or Bowen. Lott and Franz are situational players at best, they are small pass defenders, they don't scare anyone in run support or laying big hits.
They have addressed all positions but Safety. They already signed DT Griffen, DE Daniels, LB Washington, CB's Springs and CB Butler.
Under Gibbs, the Skins have always had great Safety's : Mark Murphy, Tony Peters, Alvin Walton, Brad Edwards, Danny Copeland, etc.
Ohalete and Bowen are Ok, but the need a talent boost like drafting S Sean Taylor.
Plus see the large number of D-lineman (below) already on the roster. Either way, you can't go wrong with drafting a safety or D-lineman.

DT's:
Cornelis Griffen
Jermaine Haley
Brandon Noble
Reggie McGrew
Cedric Killings


DE's:
Renaldo Wynn
Regan Upshaw
Phillip Daniels
Nic Clemons
Ron Warner
Greg White

What we gonna do with all these d-linemen? We are not gonna have a defensive line like the panthers. They have weak corners we have strong corners and LB's we cant afford a marquee line and keep the players we have we need good linemen which we have. I dont want to gamble on a D-lineman when we know taylor and winslow will be special. Look at robertson first d-linemen taken in last years draft was a bust. you can get linemen as undrafted free agents but you not gonna find a safety or TE like winslow too often. give Coach Gibbs a couple years to build a championship team we saw a special d-lineman in Kearse but we couldnt afford him (salary cap remember). added winslow a playersthat would cause match up problems for our opponents and taylor would cause match up problems for our opponents. The NFL is about matchups you not running through our line with arrington and washington and trotter and taylor humming down on you. we can pick a lineman up anytime.

if they do'nt trade down and he's there the skins are gonna take winslow.the guy is a once in a decade pick at tight end and he's too good to pass up.
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