Falcons emulating Gibbs, with interest in Garcia?

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saden1
03-07-2004, 05:15 PM
All Vick needs to know is "If you get hurt we want some insurance policy and if you can't beat out this guy then why do you deserve to star?"

Honestly, if you are not up to par when doing your job in the real world, you’re a goner no matter what. If you don't have the confidante to beat out anyone your boss brings in then you are probably not up to snuff. I mean, I have all the advantage over a new person just like Vick would over anyone they bring in. And with all that advantage you’re gonna tell me it is ok to whine and cry? Plus it is not like Vick is being asked to train his replacement.

Vick is a punk if he whent to Blank.

joecrisp
03-07-2004, 05:53 PM
Come on, It is not like Gibbs came up with the concept of having a veteran backup..
No, the idea of having a veteran backup is not a new one. It's as old as football. What is rare in the free agency era, and what has been the source of so much ridicule directed towards Gibbs, is the idea of paying top free agent dollars for a big-name, starter-quality veteran QB when a young, franchise QB appeared to be entrenched as the starter. Critics point to Gibbs' inexperience with the salary cap and free agency and call such a strategy foolish. They say, "Gibbs might have done that before (stockpiling QBs), but you just can't do that now-- not with the salary cap!" But suppose McKay were in fact to sign Garcia to a big-dollar contract similar to Brunell's. Would people throw as much criticism McKay's way as they did Gibbs, or is the move hailed as a stroke of genius-- despite it's salary cap implications-- simply because of McKay's reputation as a GM, and the Falcon's experience with the disastrous consequences of not having a talented backup QB?

joecrisp
03-07-2004, 06:36 PM
Garcia has had some law trouble and really isn't a top tier QB.
Steve McNair had some trouble with the law, too, and that didn't stop people from voting him the league's co-MVP. I'm sure you're aware Garcia holds the Niners record for passing yards in a single season, a career TD-to-INT ratio of 2:1, and a career passer rating of 88.3 (good for 4th all-time, and better than that of Tom Brady, Daunte Culpepper, Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair, Brett Favre or Peyton Manning, by the way). How does that disqualify him as a top-tier quarterback?

Why shouldn't Vick go straight to Blank? When they bring someone in who wants your job, you'd get suspicious and a bit upset wouldn't you? I think you would. .
I'd be a little concerned if I were Vick, too. After all, Greg Knapp is the new offensive coordinator in Atlanta. Guess where he was last year, and who he coached the last five years?

There should be a clear line on your team between starters and backups. Quarterback controverseys are bad. Gibbs better decide really fast this year who our starter is. I don't want any type of controversy. It can tear a team apart.

I hope he makes the right decesion and doesn't run Ramsey out of town.
A quarterback controversy can be destructive on a team where the inmates run the asylum (see "Steve Spurrier era"), but Joe Gibbs has a way of keeping the peace in the locker room, and promoting harmony where there would otherwise be dischord. In this case, the quarterback competition will enhance the performance of both QBs, and if it is indeed a competition in the truest sense-- as Joe Gibbs swears it will be-- the team will benefit.

If Ramsey loses the competition and is unable to swallow his pride for the sake of the team, then the team is better off without him anyway. I like Ramsey, and I think he has a legitimate shot at being the starter this year (I know I'm in the miniscule minority on that one), but if Ramsey tries to undermine Gibbs' authority in the locker room, then he's not the man I thought he was, and he's got to go.

Daseal
03-07-2004, 08:01 PM
I haven't forgotten Garcia's records, but he's also not my favorite QB. I've never liked him and I don't think I ever will.

I don't think Vick will ever get benched for Garcia because the fans would absolutly flip. Vick is the best thing that has ever happened to that franchise!

A quarterback controversy or competition whichever you want to call it will split the team, in my opinion. Some players will be pulling for one guy or another and could maybe not play as hard if the other guy is in. We know this shouldn't be the case, but it does happen. The team needs to know who the starter is early and I personally see Brunell as a mistake. Hard to gain much experience on the bench. He'll learn some from Brunell I'm sure, but I think Spurrier also taught him a lot about quarterbacking. Say what you will but Spurrier is an excellent QB coach.

Everyone knows I like Spurrier, I've defended him in every post and I'm not going to do it again. If you want to know my feelings just look through old posts and you'll find them.

Whoops, forgot the site crashed, well there's one with my opinion, that wraps it up. I also think Ramsey can beat Brunell out. If not Brunell is as tough as a wet paper bag so he'll play anyways, especially when Jansen, Ramsey's best friend lets a few guys loose!

JWsleep
03-07-2004, 11:44 PM
Garcia is good, but a bit past prime, and his back is suspect. But he's played at an all-pro level in the NFL for years. He's a great QB, and would make an excellent backup to Vick.

And if they had to learn this from Gibbs, then I can see why he didn't want to coach there! C'mon, Vick goes down and their whole season collapese. If they aren't in the market for a backup, they should have their heads examined. (Oh, yeah: Note to Jets: You could probably use a backup too. Duh.)

joecrisp
03-08-2004, 05:57 AM
And if they had to learn this from Gibbs, then I can see why he didn't want to coach there! C'mon, Vick goes down and their whole season collapese. If they aren't in the market for a backup, they should have their heads examined. (Oh, yeah: Note to Jets: You could probably use a backup too. Duh.)
Okay, okay-- The title of the thread is obviously pissing people off, and distracting them from my primary question, which is: if the Falcons do in fact sign Garcia, does Rich McKay get warmly praised for spending big free agent dollars on a backup quarterback (who may, as some of you say, be past his prime), whereas Gibbs was roundly criticized for pulling off basically the same move? And while we're pointing out how obvious this move should be for the Falcons, isn't it equally important for the Redskins, who had their own problems with depth at quarterback last year? It should also be noted that, despite the Brunell signing, and the signings of several other key free agents, the Redskins actually have more cap room than the Falcons at this point. That being the case, how is this a good move for the Falcons, while the Brunell signing (aside from giving up a 3rd round pick) was bad for the Redskins?

BrudLee
03-08-2004, 06:04 AM
Okay, okay-- The title of the thread is obviously pissing people off, and distracting them from my primary question, which is: if the Falcons do in fact sign Garcia, does Rich McKay get warmly praised for spending big free agent dollars on a backup quarterback (who may, as some of you say, be past his prime), whereas Gibbs was roundly criticized for pulling off basically the same move? And while we're pointing out how obvious this move should be for the Falcons, isn't it equally important for the Redskins, who had their own problems with depth at quarterback last year? It should also be noted that, despite the Brunell signing, and the signings of several other key free agents, the Redskins actually have more cap room than the Falcons at this point. That being the case, how is this a good move for the Falcons, while the Brunell signing (aside from giving up a 3rd round pick) was bad for the Redskins?
The answer, obviously, is that Dan Snyder is involved in one of the tranactions. It amazes me how much animosity he has created. I know he has riled a few writers and executives, but the man is near universally disliked.

Daseal
03-08-2004, 07:49 AM
The answer lies in what kind of contract he gets and how many draft picks they gave up (0)

johnnyredskin63
03-08-2004, 04:21 PM
ask former falcons coach dan reeves if he would have loved to have anybody other than doug johnson as vick's backup last year.by not having a good backup,the falcons
pissed away their whole season last year.

Riggo44
03-08-2004, 06:57 PM
Any team that want's to win needs to quality QB's Gibbs knows this.So must some others around the league.
But Garcia is going to Tampa. End of story.

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