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BleedBurgundy 07-31-2009, 11:45 AM The amount of coverage this has recieved is seriously ridiculous. As much as the media HATED bush, they sure as hell love them some Obama. I'm just waiting for MSNBC to report something along the lines of "Obama takes piss, puts out forest fire."
FRPLG 07-31-2009, 11:46 AM Actually, that was probably the issue that intrigued me most about this otherwise silly meeting. Kudos to Crowley and Gates for actually choosing to drink beer at a beer summit; Obama's Bud Light is pretty much indistinguishable from Biden's Buckler.
I agree. This silly meeting was only interesting from the standpoint of what they actually drank. If they had seriously thrown down I would have an improved opinion of all them.
Buckler? Seriously Joe? Buckler? He doesn't strike me as a teetotaler.
jsarno 08-04-2009, 11:51 AM I'm really surprised, well, not really surprised, that what Obama did didn't get more scrutiny on here.
1- The professor was DEAD wrong for not showing his ID.
2- He was rightfully taken in by a police officer doing his job.
3- Obama decides to make this national news by losing his composure and speaking about it. Seriously folks, there are ACTUAL racist things going on in america.
4- He then invites them to the white house, where he should have apologized to the cop and told his friend the professor to shut up.
5- He SHOULD have spoken out about the 911 operator that has been harassed ever since doing her job, but that poor girl has been racially profiled and blasted publicly.
Of course, none of this really matters cause Obama seems to do no wrong with people here. I'll say it, since others appear to be afraid to (minus a few)...He has done a horrible job as president thus far, and these kinds of things will continue to happen cause while he has a calm eloquent way about him, he has no substance, or experience and should have never been voted in.
Funny how a non racial issue became a racial issue with the cop / professor due to someone "claiming" racism, but the ACTUAL racism issue was how the the 911 operator was treated and no one said a word. (relatively speaking)
I don't know about you guys, but having someone that can lose his emotions and composure enough to speak out about this when he has no leg to stand on makes me nervous about his leadership skills.
Say what you want about Bush, but at least he had balls and knew what to stand up for.
12thMan 08-04-2009, 12:00 PM I hear Gates and Crowley might go to a Red Sox game together. That'd be pretty cool if it happens.
GMScud 08-04-2009, 01:01 PM I hear Gates and Crowley might go to a Red Sox game together. That'd be pretty cool if it happens.
Really? I don't think that would be cool. I think it would be the continuation of a dumb charade. I'm pretty sure Gates and Crowley aren't exactly pals. I mean, maybe they now have a mutual respect, maybe, but I doubt it goes any further than that. This situation should just go away.
12thMan 08-04-2009, 01:47 PM Really? I don't think that would be cool. I think it would be the continuation of a dumb charade. I'm pretty sure Gates and Crowley aren't exactly pals. I mean, maybe they now have a mutual respect, maybe, but I doubt it goes any further than that. This situation should just go away.
I don't think they are pals either, but neither do I don't think it's a dumb charade unless the media turns it into a circus. Otherwise I see no problem with it.
GMScud 08-04-2009, 01:50 PM I don't think they are pals either, but neither do I don't think it's a dumb charade unless the media turns it into a circus. Otherwise I see no problem with it.
If they're not friends and they plan on going to a baseball game together, how is that not a charade? The media (and Obama) has already turned this into a circus. That's why I said this situation needs to just go away.
Plus, if they're in the stands together, that will open the door for any fan with an opinion (and alcohol) to shout stuff at them. I think it is without question a charade, and a bad idea as well, IMO.
Monkeydad 08-04-2009, 02:25 PM yeah, Obama put his foot in his mouth. Only 4,999,999 more times to go if he wants to catch W. Fudd.
You act like this is the first time or a rare occurrence. The man can't speak without his teleprompter. :laughing2
To quote the President "Uhhhhhhhhhhhh Ummmmmmmmmm UHHHHHHHHHH."
12thMan 08-04-2009, 02:33 PM If they're not friends and they plan on going to a baseball game together, how is that not a charade? The media (and Obama) has already turned this into a circus. That's why I said this situation needs to just go away.
Plus, if they're in the stands together, that will open the door for any fan with an opinion (and alcohol) to shout stuff at them. I think it is without question a charade, and a bad idea as well, IMO.
Well maybe you and I think it needs to go away or that it's a bad idea, but who else feels that way? I mean, serious question. Look, race and race relations is a complicated thing. We tend to learn incident by incident. Just because this thing started out messy, which it did, doesn't mean that now Gates and Crowley can't act like grown ups going forward. Some people just might be watching to see if that's even possible. I think those who look for the negative will find it. (not talking about you, by the way) And those that are hoping for a positive outcome, will look for it.
Personally, I could care less if they went to a baseball game or Hooters. I think it's "cool" that they've moved on.
GMScud 08-04-2009, 03:17 PM Well maybe you and I think it needs to go away or that it's a bad idea, but who else feels that way? I mean, serious question. Look, race and race relations is a complicated thing. We tend to learn incident by incident. Just because this thing started out messy, which it did, doesn't mean that now Gates and Crowley can't act B
like grown ups going forward. Some people just might be watching to see if that's even possible. I think those who look for the negative will find it. (not talking about you, by the way) And those that are hoping for a positive outcome, will look for it.
Personally, I could care less if they went to a baseball game or Hooters. I think it's "cool" that they've moved on.
I pretty much agree, my only contension is that I don't think them going to a Sox game would be cool, and that it's a charade. Them pretending to be pals and attending a baseball game together does nothing for race relations IMO. The fact that a Harvard Professor and a police seargant are acting like grown ups and moving on shouldn't be praised, it should be expected. They don't need to parade around in public to move forward.
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