Cheney vs. Bush: Former VP Writing Tell-All Memoir

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Trample the Elderly
08-14-2009, 01:56 PM
I said I believe in free market economics, I didn't say we had a free market.

We're about the only ones.

firstdown
08-14-2009, 02:31 PM
I think this memoir is Cheney falling on the sword to save W's legacy. History can blame Cheney. I believe in free market economics but alot of Republicans (not all) are free market extremists. When Bush had to get on TV and ask for 700 Billion dollars (an excercise in socialism) to save Wall Street (those who are blessed by the free market god i.e. idolatry) his legacy became Obama.

I don't think Chenney is going to fall on any sword for Bush now they have gone their seperate ways. If anything he is going to try and save his legacy.

joethiesmanfan
08-14-2009, 02:58 PM
Well if he is trying to save his legacy he is not doing a very good job of it, from what I read so far. Getting Scooter locked up to shield yourself and then not having the ability to convince W to pardon Scooter. Does not look good no matter how you look at it.

MTK
08-14-2009, 03:00 PM
I don't think Chenney is going to fall on any sword for Bush now they have gone their seperate ways. If anything he is going to try and save his legacy.

And what a fine one it is.

FRPLG
08-14-2009, 03:05 PM
Well if he is trying to save his legacy he is not doing a very good job of it, from what I read so far. Getting Scooter locked up to shield yourself and then not having the ability to convince W to pardon Scooter. Does not look good no matter how you look at it.

I think Cheney feels like Scooter got the shaft to save Karl Rove since everyone thinks/knows pretty much it was Rove who "leaked" the secret info that wasn't really actually secret and wasn't really a violation of anything.

joethiesmanfan
08-14-2009, 03:09 PM
If it wasn't a violation then how did he get locked up?

Trample the Elderly
08-14-2009, 03:14 PM
I think Cheney feels like Scooter got the shaft to save Karl Rove since everyone thinks/knows pretty much it was Rove who "leaked" the secret info that wasn't really actually secret and wasn't really a violation of anything.

I thought it was Dick Armey? You know what puzzled me about the Valery Plane, (what-ever her name is), thing was that no one seemed to ask?

Why is it that we have blonde women in the CIA working undercover in corporations, and not Arabic men infiltrating terrorist groups? Maybe we do? I'm not privy to such things. It seems like a waste of resources if you ask me.

FRPLG
08-14-2009, 03:46 PM
If it wasn't a violation then how did he get locked up?

Obstruction and perjury.

Legal issues like this one are somewhat tricky and the way the media reports them is a cross between ineptly and dishonestly. There are probably 100 million Americans who know who Scooter Libby is and 90 million of them think he "leaked" Valerie Plame's "cover" to the press. When in fact no one "leaked" it because it was pretty common knowledge in DC anyways and it wasn't he who did the "leaking" anyways at all.

CRedskinsRule
08-14-2009, 04:12 PM
I thought it was Dick Armey? You know what puzzled me about the Valery Plane, (what-ever her name is), thing was that no one seemed to ask?

Why is it that we have blonde women in the CIA working undercover in corporations, and not Arabic men infiltrating terrorist groups? Maybe we do? I'm not privy to such things. It seems like a waste of resources if you ask me.

It may depend on how deep undercover they've gone before.

saden1
08-14-2009, 04:16 PM
I thought it was Dick Armey? You know what puzzled me about the Valery Plane, (what-ever her name is), thing was that no one seemed to ask?

Why is it that we have blonde women in the CIA working undercover in corporations, and not Arabic men infiltrating terrorist groups? Maybe we do? I'm not privy to such things. It seems like a waste of resources if you ask me.

There are many ways to gather intelligence one of which is usage of innocent looking blond desk agent. I mean, why put all your eggs in one basket? A healthy mix of desk agents and field agents is more effective than having a force consisting of only field agents.

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