Om Field: Review - Six Campbell Pass Plays

If they can only complete a pass in single coverage 15% of the time, they're in trouble. It's a pretty routine play for a lot of teams. A completion or a pass interference call on a 20-40 yard pass attempt is a better outcome than a pass in the dirt to a WR who has 4 defenders around him. If not in a meaningless pre-season game, when?

A 40 yard pass is never routine. It is never a given. Besides, ARE was JC's first read. It is hard to criticize players for connecting for a first down on the first read. If you want to criticize Zorn for the play's design, that would be more appropriate.

The other issue on that Devin Thomas overthrown ball is that, Campbell only seems to overthrow that pass when DT is running it. Not to argue that Thomas screwed up on that specific play, because nothing necessarily suggests that's true, but going back to last year Thomas is the only receiver who consistently turns the 5-yard hitch into a wasted play.

We can put it on Campbell for not giving Devin Thomas more chances, but then we're ignoring the elephant in the room.

I wondered about the same thing. I like DT more than you do but the boy seems to run poor routes or be in the wrong place too often.

[QUOTE=44Deezel;576208]On this play, Devin Thomas was streaking down the far sideline in single coverage. IMO, Campbell needs to find these match-ups more often instead of settling for the safe 5-10 yard pass. Campbell could and should have aired it out to Thomas, at least giving him a chance to make a big play. None of the Ravens safeties were even in the vicinity of DT. It could have even gone for a score, but we'll never know. Campbell, not solid.[/QUOTE

13 yards vs. possible big play, u take the 13 yards, but the major gripe here is the continous lack of attempts for the big play and I totally agree with that. Clinton Portis I love to death, but not a big play guy. Our recievers, Moss is big play guy but he gets doubled all the time. JC got the arm. We need to start throwing to the young guys down the field, we wont know there big play players unless we attempt it. This dink and dump crap is old, bottom line we got to get the ball down field a couple times a game.

Great write-up. After watching the NFL replay Friday, the game wasn't as bad as I thought (at least the first quarter or so). The first team did reasonably well facing a legendary defense. Our O-line was good (?!!), and JC completed several passes and moved the chains.

I'd love to see JC make that completion to Hagans. Otherwise, sure I'd like to see him throw downfield, but honestly I agree with GTripp and others -- a first down moves the chains. As long as he isn't throwing 6-7 yards when we need 10, like he used to do last year.

Sure, next several games -- let's air it up to DT or MK. As he gets more comfortable and trusts the young guys, he may start letting them win toss-ups in 1-on-1 coverage. But I'm not going to complain about a 13 yard completion for first down. That may have been one of the few things that went *right* all day..

Never. That's when.

Devin Thomas in single coverage is not a mismatch right now. It may never be a mismatch. I agree that you want to go vertical with a guy who isn't Moss every now and then, and probably at a 2:1 ratio (Moss to everyone else), but going deep for the sake of going deep is how offenses turn the ball over and get into second and ten situations.

There certainly will be shots taken this year, after a 13 yard completion is probably not the best time to complain.

That's not why he didn't throw it. He didn't throw it, because he didn't see it. If we have wide outs that aren't going to get the ball thrown to them when they're in single coverage, because they can't be trusted, then why have them on the roster at all. I don't agree that Campbell was "solid" on that play, just because he completed the pass. Even the worst defenses in the league last year held our offense in check. It would be nice to see a little more aggressiveness from Campbell. Maybe we will in the regular season, but his play on Thursday was uninspiring. Troy Smith looked better.

Tripp I watched Mark Sanchez do something that I've never seen JC do in 4 years of being a pro. Sanchez looked one way, pumped faked to the left and got the safety to move, then threw a perfect bomb down the right sideline for a huge gain. I know JC only got a few possesions but for an offense that can't score points, don't you think it's time to start taking more chances downfield? So why not start in a meaningless pre season game? Every first team offense I watched did it. Why can't we? Why did we drafted Malcom Kelly? To run pass patterns short of the 1st down marker? Let the guy run down field and try and jump over someone or get a PI?

I agree. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to see the first team offense take a few shots in Thursday's game, especially when they were there to be taken. It's not "vitriol" or hate. The offense was inept last year, so why not expect to see a little more aggressiveness from the first unit, especially with all the excuses about the O line, receivers, first season in the system, etc.

I think/hope we'll see this offense open up as we go along.

That's not why he didn't throw it. He didn't throw it, because he didn't see it. If we have wide outs that aren't going to get the ball thrown to them when they're in single coverage, because they can't be trusted, then why have them on the roster at all. I don't agree that Campbell was "solid" on that play, just because he completed the pass. Even the worst defenses in the league last year held our offense in check. It would be nice to see a little more aggressiveness from Campbell. Maybe we will in the regular season, but his play on Thursday was uninspiring. Troy Smith looked better.Well, now you are just positioning yourself as an authority on NFL offenses. So tell me, was DT running a go route, or was he running a clearout? Seems to me, if he's running a route that's in the progression, then Campbell has a chance to see him, if he's not in the progression, then he doesn't.

Also, as noted before, the play you are talking about was a pass we completed for 13 yards. The "if not now, then when" argument is stupid. How about, any other time? At the very least, stick to plays where the number one read wasn't open. Otherwise, it's just being pissy. You're arguing that the quarterback was not "solid" on a simple well executed play action pass that netted 13 yards and a first down. This ain't Madden, brotha.

I thought I heard JC say Hagans wasn't part of the progression on the pass play that was a little high to Hagans. I don't claim to be an expert on offense. Only on defense. :) Was Hagans running a clearout on that play? If so, you have to give it to JC for spotting Hagans. I thought it was a catchable pass by the way.

I thought I heard JC say Hagans wasn't part of the progression on the pass play that was a little high to Hagans. I don't claim to be an expert on offense. Only on defense. :) Was Hagans running a clearout on that play? If so, you have to give it to JC for spotting Hagans. I thought it was a catchable pass by the way.Hagans was definitely not one of the first three places Campbell looked. But I would think if he was clearing out, he wouldn't have been where he was.

It might have been a sight adjustment on his part to just kind of stop at the sideline. I don't really know.