Still Don't get why Move Orakpo to LB

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Beemnseven
08-31-2009, 09:34 PM
Since the knock on Andre Carter is that he's not great at run-stopping, you don't want him on one end and the 260 lb. Orakpo (who's also not known for his run-stopping ability) on the other.

I actually think Orakpo will line up in all sorts of places on obvious passing downs.

D'BOYZ
08-31-2009, 11:51 PM
Ok I don't get why so many of you compare his possition to Ware's... they play different Schemes one is a 3-4 and the other is the 4-3 . Ware in the 3-4 is close to the line and is used in the outside againts LT TE and RB, Orakpo is i nthe 4-3 outside where he plays against TE,LT and G mostly and he's 5 yards behind the line.

Ware covers 30% of the plays at the most... Orakpo has to cover at least 50% if not more, it's not the same not even close.... Yes many DE are drafted to play LB but that's OLB in the 3-4 not the 4-3...

Ohhh and to the Giant fan that said Ware isn't good in coverage hahaha

diehard
09-01-2009, 06:11 AM
Ok I don't get why so many of you compare his possition to Ware's... they play different Schemes one is a 3-4 and the other is the 4-3 . Ware in the 3-4 is close to the line and is used in the outside againts LT TE and RB, Orakpo is i nthe 4-3 outside where he plays against TE,LT and G mostly and he's 5 yards behind the line.

Ware covers 30% of the plays at the most... Orakpo has to cover at least 50% if not more, it's not the same not even close.... Yes many DE are drafted to play LB but that's OLB in the 3-4 not the 4-3...

Ohhh and to the Giant fan that said Ware isn't good in coverage hahahaI also said Ware isn't good (I meant great) in coverage. Man or zone. Cooley pisses on him everytime, as he does with most LBs and DLs trying to cover him but, no offense. Ware is a beast of a player. There's no doubt about it. Let Orakpo prove what he can do this year. Something I've noticed about Orakpo, he doesn't appear as big as he's listed. Maybe it's just that he doesn't have the long wingspan as Ware or maybe it's the pads. Arrington seemed really big for a LB but, none of these observations have to do with being a gamer.

TheMalcolmConnection
09-01-2009, 08:24 AM
Is it just me or has Orakpo looked just fine at LB? He's not looking like a Pro Bowler at LB, but he certainly looks competent.

FRPLG
09-01-2009, 08:30 AM
You know what I'm saying? I actually think he's pretty good at sniffing out a run and going after the ball carrier. He's a pretty strong fella too and you can't simply push him around like any other tweener type DE.

Yeah I don't think he is bad at all. I think having Carter, Daniels and Orakpo on the field is a better running defense than Carter, Orakpo and xxxLB. I also think having Carter, Orakpo and xxxLB is the best pass defnse. We're in total agreement...Orakpo needs to be on the field all 3 downs.

FRPLG
09-01-2009, 08:32 AM
Is it just me or has Orakpo looked just fine at LB? He's not looking like a Pro Bowler at LB, but he certainly looks competent.

Exactly.

Lotus
09-01-2009, 08:58 AM
Ok I don't get why so many of you compare his possition to Ware's... they play different Schemes one is a 3-4 and the other is the 4-3 . Ware in the 3-4 is close to the line and is used in the outside againts LT TE and RB, Orakpo is i nthe 4-3 outside where he plays against TE,LT and G mostly and he's 5 yards behind the line.

Ware covers 30% of the plays at the most... Orakpo has to cover at least 50% if not more, it's not the same not even close.... Yes many DE are drafted to play LB but that's OLB in the 3-4 not the 4-3...

Ohhh and to the Giant fan that said Ware isn't good in coverage hahaha

A couple of things:
1) The Redskins have begun playing more "hybrid" schemes, mixing 4-3 looks with 3-4 and 3-3-5 looks.
2) Rak won't be playing in coverage 50% of the time, as you say, because he will be a hand-down defensive end on 3rd down and blitz sometimes on 1st and 2nd downs

So the difference between Orakpo and Ware, in terms of scheme, is actually not so great.

Now, #3: Ware does often struggle in coverage, like it or not

hail_2_da_skins
09-01-2009, 09:29 AM
I have a feeling that we are not seeing the complete defensive package that the Redskins will use in the regular season. Looks like the Skins have been running their basic zones and man coverage schemes. I think in the regular season they will be moving Rak around more to use his versatility.

D'BOYZ
09-01-2009, 12:30 PM
look I'm not saying Orakpo isn't a great rusher he is and he has shown flashes at preseason but if you focus on him and please do he's still lost in coverage and he plays more coverage plays at least pre season that you would like 2....

Hey he is your guy/ future and everything i get that and I know you have to defend him but to think that right now he's not a liability out there is going out blind.... it's like me saying Roy Williams Wasn't a Liability at coverage out there each week.

CRedskinsRule
09-01-2009, 12:41 PM
Actually it's more like me going to a Cowboys site, and making a thread saying Felix Jones may be an outstanding runner, but will he last the season. It may be a fair thread, but do you think I have standing to do that.

And for the record, I do go to a boys site, have discussions etc, but I would not start that thread, and if i did, the less tactful posters would just start throwing crud out there. I think everyone here has respectfully disagreed with your basic premise.

Finally, I would also say that I have watched the games, and think that he has held his own. Not probowl, but not clueless either. Will it change once the DCs start gameplanning for him, maybe so.

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