NYCskinfan82
09-10-2009, 10:33 AM
We must remember this thread because a lot of reporters will be eating/changing there words at the end of the Season. Saying i knew they'd make the playoffs and win the SB. HTTR.
Wash Post, Wash Times, DC Sports Bog and top Redskins blogs make predictionsNYCskinfan82 09-10-2009, 10:33 AM We must remember this thread because a lot of reporters will be eating/changing there words at the end of the Season. Saying i knew they'd make the playoffs and win the SB. HTTR. GTripp0012 09-10-2009, 11:50 AM What percentage would you assign to each of the following return next season? Cerrato (in his current capacity), Zorn, Campbell -- 60% Cerrato and Zorn -- 75% Cerrato and Campbell -- 60% Zorn and Campbell -- 60% Cerrato only -- 5% Zorn only -- 30% Campbell only -- 10% SmootSmack 09-10-2009, 11:58 AM Same question to you, what percentages would you give each of happening? What are you, Greg Blache?? I'm the one asking the questions, don't throw it back at me! :) I'm pretty awful at these types of questions, but I'll try my best. I think if they win 8 games, Zorn and Cerrato are both back. If they win 9+ and a playoff game, then Snyder won't hesitate at all to give Campbell a big contract. Losing season, Campbell is gone. Winning season and/or winning season with a playoff appearance (but no win), then we could see prolonged discussions with Campbell. I've thought that in 2010 or 2011, Cerrato would be elevated (moved) to a less football operations and more business operations role within Snyder's empire. But I'm less inclined to think that these days. For one thing, while some pieces are still missing, he's putting a pretty solid team together, including the front office team. Why not let him continue? So anyway... Cerrato, Zorn, Campbell: 100% (assuming winning season and playoff win) Cerrato and Campbell: 25% (if they let Zorn go it will be because they failed to win this year, and if that happens I can't see Campbell staying as well) Zorn and Campbell: 25%. (If they both come back, no reason not to keep Cerrato) Cerrato and Zorn: 85% (VC brought Zorn in, they are pretty closely tied in my opinion) Cerrato: 85% Zorn: 100% (assuming winning season and playoff win); 45% (8-8); 10% (losing season) Campbell: 100% (assuming winning season and playoff win); 45% (8-8); 10% (losing season) GTripp0012 09-10-2009, 12:24 PM I think Zorn is the safest by far. Vinny's job, I think, is directly on the line though not as publicly as Campbell's. Campbell doesn't have a contract to keep him around past this year, and while I don't see a scenario where he wouldn't be offered an RFA tender next offseason, if he's in a legit competition for his job at this time next year, I think he gets cut if he loses. So he's got to have a big year to avoid the competition stigma. Zorn's limited job security seems to be a media fabrication. Snyder might have fired Marty in 2002, but I don't think he's necessarily allured by a big name coach over any other coach. Mike Shanahan is a super bowl winner, so would he cast Zorn to the side for Shanahan? Maybe. But not for just anyone. What if Mike Shanahan doesn't want to work for Dan Snyder? It's not a "replace Zorn, hire anyone but Zorn" deal, so barring a complete locker room breakdown, Zorn is probably safe for 2010. So Vinny and Campbell both need to have promising years to hang around, whereas Zorn merely has to give the illusion that the team is moving in the right direction. That's also why I don't necessarily think that Campbell is "gone" if the team doesn't make the playoffs this year. Just that either he ears a large contract or he gets "competition". And competition almost never, ever favors the incumbent. GTripp0012 09-10-2009, 12:27 PM For example, if the Redskins choose to throw a 2nd round pick next year at, say, Matt Hasselbeck in a trade, Campbell isn't winning that QB competition. But it will be a "competition" that lasts into the preseason. Lotus 09-10-2009, 12:28 PM I think Zorn is the safest by far. Vinny's job, I think, is directly on the line though not as publicly as Campbell's. Campbell doesn't have a contract to keep him around past this year, and while I don't see a scenario where he wouldn't be offered an RFA tender next offseason, if he's in a legit competition for his job at this time next year, I think he gets cut if he loses. So he's got to have a big year to avoid the competition stigma. Zorn's limited job security seems to be a media fabrication. Snyder might have fired Marty in 2002, but I don't think he's necessarily allured by a big name coach over any other coach. Mike Shanahan is a super bowl winner, so would he cast Zorn to the side for Shanahan? Maybe. But not for just anyone. What if Mike Shanahan doesn't want to work for Dan Snyder? It's not a "replace Zorn, hire anyone but Zorn" deal, so barring a complete locker room breakdown, Zorn is probably safe for 2010. So Vinny and Campbell both need to have promising years to hang around, whereas Zorn merely has to give the illusion that the team is moving in the right direction. That's also why I don't necessarily think that Campbell is "gone" if the team doesn't make the playoffs this year. Just that either he ears a large contract or he gets "competition". And competition almost never, ever favors the incumbent. Good question. Based on his history, I don't see Shanny putting himself in a position where he doesn't have complete control over personnel. And sadly, with Danny around, no one else in the organization has complete control over personnel, although Danny is getting to be better behaved. GTripp0012 09-10-2009, 12:35 PM An up-to-the-second list of the true UFA quarterbacks next season: Kyle Boller Charlie Batch Mark Brunell Jon Kitna Josh McCown Patrick Ramsey Chris Redman Brian St. Pierre Basically, competition costs us a draft pick (or two) in some way or form. Paintrain 09-10-2009, 05:33 PM An up-to-the-second list of the true UFA quarterbacks next season: Kyle Boller Charlie Batch Mark Brunell Jon Kitna Josh McCown Patrick Ramsey Chris Redman Brian St. Pierre Basically, competition costs us a draft pick (or two) in some way or form. See, that's one of the reasons I think that if JC plays even a tick above last year he will get a mid level extension. There's no better QB out there and I doubt Snyder is really ready to go the rookie QB route again. If Jay Cutler never became available then I don't think there would have been any consideration to trade Campbell or trade for/draft a new QB in the offseason. He would simply be playing for a new contract along with Rogers and McIntosh and it wouldn't have been such a big story. I think Zorn is the safest by far. Vinny's job, I think, is directly on the line though not as publicly as Campbell's. Campbell doesn't have a contract to keep him around past this year, and while I don't see a scenario where he wouldn't be offered an RFA tender next offseason, if he's in a legit competition for his job at this time next year, I think he gets cut if he loses. So he's got to have a big year to avoid the competition stigma. Zorn's limited job security seems to be a media fabrication. Snyder might have fired Marty in 2002, but I don't think he's necessarily allured by a big name coach over any other coach. Mike Shanahan is a super bowl winner, so would he cast Zorn to the side for Shanahan? Maybe. But not for just anyone. What if Mike Shanahan doesn't want to work for Dan Snyder? It's not a "replace Zorn, hire anyone but Zorn" deal, so barring a complete locker room breakdown, Zorn is probably safe for 2010. So Vinny and Campbell both need to have promising years to hang around, whereas Zorn merely has to give the illusion that the team is moving in the right direction. While I agree that Snyder's coach chasing reputation is overblown in the media, I think this is a Cutler-esque scenario coming up in the offseason. Shanahan, Gruden, Holmgren are all coaches that have the Super Bowl pedigree, run the same WCO that we've been in the past 2 years and have the reputations for high scoring offenses. It may not be a 'fire Zorn because he sucks' deal, more so a 'I had to make a move for a better, more proven coach' thing. Also, Shanahan and Gruden both have history and solid relationships with Vinny so there would be a way for him to stay in the organization in some capacity. Finally, on Vinny, I agree with SS, he's done a decent job of building a pretty good roster over the past 2 years. I firmly believe that next season he will focus all draft and free agent efforts towards rebuilding the OL, LB and RB groups. If he succeeds, then he would have completely remade the offense and defense in the span of 3 years. Paintrain 09-10-2009, 05:37 PM Good question. Based on his history, I don't see Shanny putting himself in a position where he doesn't have complete control over personnel. And sadly, with Danny around, no one else in the organization has complete control over personnel, although Danny is getting to be better behaved. I thought the same thing but remember, this training camp he visited the Steelers and Patriots organizations to get some best practices for his next go round. One thing they both have in common? Both of their coaches are just coaches, not a one man gang. Mechanix544 09-10-2009, 08:29 PM I think we get everyone back next year, as we light up the NFC East to the tune of 11-5 and a visit to the NFC championship game......... 50 - 50 there. Vinny will definitely focus on two areas next offseason. Our first round pick will be the most talented and fastest OLB that is available. Then, look for him to pick up a quality Tackle, with Snyder again dipping into the FA market to get a top 10 guard to replace Dockery, who I think is the weak spot on the line, he will be a backup next year. |
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