This loss could be the best thing to happen to his franchise.

Hey Tony Dungy what are you doing?

Hey, if he could get us moving like the Colts I'm all for it, but he didn't look that way with Tampa yrs a go. I think it was his OC.

Dont be surprised when this happens. Knowing our owner, with his snydy senses tingling, Gibbs could be coach tomorrow.


Gibbs is finito coaching dude. And if he was wise he would stick with NASCAR. The franchise is facing a major overhaul if it is going to be respectable again. You need a younger guy for that task.

I agree with SS. Fire Vinny and Zorn. Bring in Russ Grimm. Shit, might as well bring in Cody Grimm. Anything is better than losing to the Lions.

Grimm and Casserly?

Gibbs is finito coaching dude. And if he was wise he would stick with NASCAR. The franchise is facing a major overhaul if it is going to be respectable again. You need a younger guy for that task.

Gibbs is definitely done for good this time.

Hey, if he could get us moving like the Colts I'm all for it, but he didn't look that way with Tampa yrs a go. I think it was his OC.


Dungy had a decent FO backing him up also. Dungy is a great coach, but without a decent FO he would be a waste.

Can it be the sky is falling time now?

Gibbs is definitely done for good this time.


If Gibbs was say 15-20 years younger yeah go get him again, but you need to start pretty much from scratch this time around. Rebuilt lines, new RB to be honest, as well as a QB, not to mention an entire new defensive backfield. Why Lion WRs got total seperation on the longer routes and we didn't(with the exception of the Moss TD) is beyond me. Our DB's were pathetic today.

In my 30 years of being a Redskins fan, this is an all time low. Worse than losing the 1 game to the 1-15 Cowboys. Worse than losing 38-9 in the Super Bowl. Worse than any Spurrier loss or even the Coach 'Robinskie' era. We lost to a team that hadn't won a game in 20 months. Any team would be embarrassed by today's effort and result. It just happens to have happened to us.

So now what? I think Dan Snyder has to now acknowledge that it's not working. This is not just a loss, this is an organizational failure. This is a failure of management, coaching and players. This is an organizational opportunity to reset. If Snyder reacts by firing Zorn tomorrow, that would be a typical, old Snyder knee jerk reaction. I hope he gets the realization that it's not working and takes a few measured steps to correcting the course of the franchise.

What I'd like to see Snyder do tomorrow is start the search immediately for a President of Football Operations. Instead of operating from the sideline up, we need drastic change from the front office down. There are some people available (Casserly, Holmgren, Floyd Reese, Bruce Allen) that Snyder could bring in now and allow them to take the season to evaluate the roster, the front office staff and the coaching staff. He doesn't need to make a move on Zorn or Cerrato. Someone needs to come in and be our Parcells or Joe Banner. We need an experienced front office person to come in and set the direction for the football team. Let them make the decisions on the coach and GM.

Personally, I want Shanahan to be our coach for the next decade because I believe he's a brilliant and progressive offensive mind and one of our major problems for decades is lack of an offensive identity. But, I don't think he'll be any more successful than Turner, Schotty, Spurrier, Gibbs or Zorn under our current structure. Unless we have a strong front office structure and an organizational plan, we'll be wasting Shanahan's talent and more years of our players careers.

I know I'm not breaking any new ground with this post, but this is a crucial point for the future of the Washington Redskins. We can do business as usual or make a dramatic change in the way things are done in order to save this once proud franchise.

100% agree. BTW this would have been a perfect response in my "Now What?" thread. :)

Grimm and Casserly?

I think he said Schottenhimer? Whatever? My Labrador could sniff out a better O-line than Vinny.

And yes, Cody Grimm the safety for VA Tech.

Grimm and Casserly?

I wouldn't be opposed to either one of them. Unfortunately it will probably be more like Jon Gruden and VC gets to keep his job.