SC Skins Fan
10-08-2009, 01:23 PM
While I think it's clear in that game that Campbell is not as close to the next level as I thought he was, I don't think any of the evidence really supports anything you are saying past the bolded part.
Over the last two weeks, there have been plenty of times where Campbell has anticipated a receiver coming wide open, and got the ball out quickly creating a big play. That's exactly what's happened on the TD pass to Cooley. The ball came out as soon as he cleared the LB level. Campbell never left the pocket. If he didn't see it right off the drop, he would almost certainly have stepped up.
With the way that Campbell is able to find Cooley despite how obvious it is to other teams that he needs to be covered, I've come to realize over the last two weeks that the criticism that he can't anticipate receivers coming open is a simple attribution error: there's years of evidence to suggest that our (other) receivers just don't extend plays like they need to. I feel very comfortable suggesting that opportunities aren't being missed, at least not on a troubling level.
Is Campbell ever going to be successful if the only receiver he can trust is Chris Cooley? I don't think he will anymore. Kind of like David Garrard cant be successful over the long term with Mike Sims-Walker, Torry Holt, and Marcedes Lewis. I don't necessarily think either of them are close to making a big jump. But I also don't nitpick for things wrong with their ability when the problems are so obvious.
You make a fine rebuttal. I think it is really hard to make those calls without access to the all-22. Otherwise you are really just trying to infer what is happening downfield based upon clues. Maybe you have developed a better system somehow based upon on the time you have spent on it, but I certainly can't determine route combination and coverages with any accuracy from the television feed. I think it is certainly true that the Redskins (and Jaguars) receiver corps are lacking. I also think both quarterbacks do not carry out the nuances of the game (anticipating throws, throwing into tight windows, manipulating safeties) that would help cover some of the deficiencies of their personnel. Those are the types of things that make guys like Drew Brees elite players. That's why my saying Campbell=Garrard is not saying "Campbell sucks," though I think he played very very poorly against Tampa. It is saying he lacks to skills to be a very good NFL quarterback. That is to say, he is not a guy you give a long-term extension @ $60 million (ask the Jags).
Anyway, I feel I have been spending too much time on the site and wasting too much time repeating the same points. My value added is quickly diminishing and I should be pursuing more productive endeavors (like getting a freaking degree and getting the hell out of here). I am going to try to avoid the site until or unless I have something positive and hopefully original to say.
As a final note, here are some of Greg Cosell's thoughts from actually looking at the all-22. I think the speak to the overall points that we pretty much know, including that Zorn is not doing a good job of putting Campbell in a position to succeed and that the receivers struggled to get open, as you say. No one on offense is really getting it done right now, and that goes all the way to the top.
Campbell’s first interception came against “man free” coverage; Great job by Barber over the slot dropping off his man when he saw S Piscitelli attack Randle-El and reacting Kelly’s slant – Talib outstanding job reading Kelly’s route and undercutting Campbell’s throw
Campbell’s second interception also came against “man free” coverage, Kelly ran a go route versus Talib and Talib ran with him all the way, Kelly no vertical separation – It was man-to-man and Kelly did not win
Campbell not playing with a lot of confidence right now, He’s not getting a clear picture and he’s leaving throws on the field – Also a little quick to move, Perceiving pressure
Kelly had a difficult time getting separation against man coverage concepts – Thomas did not play many snaps at WR, That tells you what the Redskins think of him
Bucs a lot of man coverage, and the Redskins receivers did not get open; Cooley had trouble getting separation against linebackers
The Redskins did not attack the predominant man coverage schemes the Bucs played: No crossing routes, No rub elements, No stacked releases, No shifting and motion – They didn’t help Campbell and they didn’t help their receivers
Right now, Campbell is an erratic player; Not much efficiency to his play At the end of the day, Campbell is not a West Coast offense QB
Over the last two weeks, there have been plenty of times where Campbell has anticipated a receiver coming wide open, and got the ball out quickly creating a big play. That's exactly what's happened on the TD pass to Cooley. The ball came out as soon as he cleared the LB level. Campbell never left the pocket. If he didn't see it right off the drop, he would almost certainly have stepped up.
With the way that Campbell is able to find Cooley despite how obvious it is to other teams that he needs to be covered, I've come to realize over the last two weeks that the criticism that he can't anticipate receivers coming open is a simple attribution error: there's years of evidence to suggest that our (other) receivers just don't extend plays like they need to. I feel very comfortable suggesting that opportunities aren't being missed, at least not on a troubling level.
Is Campbell ever going to be successful if the only receiver he can trust is Chris Cooley? I don't think he will anymore. Kind of like David Garrard cant be successful over the long term with Mike Sims-Walker, Torry Holt, and Marcedes Lewis. I don't necessarily think either of them are close to making a big jump. But I also don't nitpick for things wrong with their ability when the problems are so obvious.
You make a fine rebuttal. I think it is really hard to make those calls without access to the all-22. Otherwise you are really just trying to infer what is happening downfield based upon clues. Maybe you have developed a better system somehow based upon on the time you have spent on it, but I certainly can't determine route combination and coverages with any accuracy from the television feed. I think it is certainly true that the Redskins (and Jaguars) receiver corps are lacking. I also think both quarterbacks do not carry out the nuances of the game (anticipating throws, throwing into tight windows, manipulating safeties) that would help cover some of the deficiencies of their personnel. Those are the types of things that make guys like Drew Brees elite players. That's why my saying Campbell=Garrard is not saying "Campbell sucks," though I think he played very very poorly against Tampa. It is saying he lacks to skills to be a very good NFL quarterback. That is to say, he is not a guy you give a long-term extension @ $60 million (ask the Jags).
Anyway, I feel I have been spending too much time on the site and wasting too much time repeating the same points. My value added is quickly diminishing and I should be pursuing more productive endeavors (like getting a freaking degree and getting the hell out of here). I am going to try to avoid the site until or unless I have something positive and hopefully original to say.
As a final note, here are some of Greg Cosell's thoughts from actually looking at the all-22. I think the speak to the overall points that we pretty much know, including that Zorn is not doing a good job of putting Campbell in a position to succeed and that the receivers struggled to get open, as you say. No one on offense is really getting it done right now, and that goes all the way to the top.
Campbell’s first interception came against “man free” coverage; Great job by Barber over the slot dropping off his man when he saw S Piscitelli attack Randle-El and reacting Kelly’s slant – Talib outstanding job reading Kelly’s route and undercutting Campbell’s throw
Campbell’s second interception also came against “man free” coverage, Kelly ran a go route versus Talib and Talib ran with him all the way, Kelly no vertical separation – It was man-to-man and Kelly did not win
Campbell not playing with a lot of confidence right now, He’s not getting a clear picture and he’s leaving throws on the field – Also a little quick to move, Perceiving pressure
Kelly had a difficult time getting separation against man coverage concepts – Thomas did not play many snaps at WR, That tells you what the Redskins think of him
Bucs a lot of man coverage, and the Redskins receivers did not get open; Cooley had trouble getting separation against linebackers
The Redskins did not attack the predominant man coverage schemes the Bucs played: No crossing routes, No rub elements, No stacked releases, No shifting and motion – They didn’t help Campbell and they didn’t help their receivers
Right now, Campbell is an erratic player; Not much efficiency to his play At the end of the day, Campbell is not a West Coast offense QB